Dr. Deb 0:01
Welcome to Let’s Talk wellness now. I’m your host, Dr Deb Muth, and today we’re diving into one of my favorite healing tools, infrared sauna therapy and how it’s transforming detox, longevity and recovery. If you’ve ever struggled with fatigue, brain fog or stubborn inflammation. You’ve probably heard me talk about how toxins can overload your body systems, but what if you could accelerate your healing, improve circulation and support your mitochondria, all while still sitting in a warm, peaceful environment that feels like self care instead of like a treatment. My guest today, Tiffany Dubeck, from health tech sauna, is here to help us understand how this powerful technology works and why not all Infrared Saunas are created equal. We’ll talk about the science behind full spectrum infrared therapy, why detoxing through skin is one of the safest, most effective ways to reduce toxic burden, how to choose the right sauna for your home or practice, and how you can use this therapy to support longevity hormones and brain health. So grab a cup of tea, settle in, and let’s explore how heat can heal with Tiffany Dubeck from Health Tech saunas, Tiffany, Welcome to Let’s Talk wellness now. Can you start sharing a little bit about your background, how you got involved with health tech sauna,

Tiffany Dubeck 1:34
working with high tech health I’m part of the Science Advisory Board, medical advisory board here, and we, you know, we’re very research based company, and it’s just perfectly in alignment with what I love to talk about, what I love to educate about, what I believe in. You know, the natural healing capability of the body and the Saunas are, yeah, just perfect for that. So I head up the practitioner program here, I like to educate our customers with the sauna usage. We do a lot with the science and the data. And, yeah, it’s, it’s amazing. It’s the best company out there. So

Dr. Deb 2:12
that’s, I love the health of tech sauna. I’ve had one for well over Oh, I’m going to age myself probably two decades, at least 20 years, and I love my sauna. I’ve never had a problem with it ever. That’s what makes it so awesome, and it’s so easy to put together.

Tiffany Dubeck 2:29
Yes, I know. And you know, a lot of people, I didn’t even realize this when I got into practice, how easy it is to incorporate an infrared sauna into your home. I you know, I would just use it at the gym, or there was different, you know, health facilities I would go to, but, yeah, I didn’t even think of having it in my home till I was like, you know, actively in my own practice, and, and educating people about that. And, and, yeah, and I love, love it. It’s so convenient. It’s amazing. Doesn’t use up a lot of electricity, and you’re able to be more consistent with it, so then you can get all those wonderful benefits.

Dr. Deb 3:09
Absolutely. You know, for those who’ve never experienced it, what exactly is an infrared sauna, and how does it differ from a traditional sauna?

Tiffany Dubeck 3:19
Good question. Yeah. People are very familiar with the traditional saunas, the finished style saunas. It’s different because it uses a different method of heat delivery. So traditional saunas will use convection. It’s relying upon the air temperature to get really, really hot, so anywhere between 170 usually 200

Dr. Deb 3:43
degrees, like our oven, like a convection, like our oven, right?

Tiffany Dubeck 3:49
Exactly, yep. And then that’s going to indirectly heat the body, raising the core body temperature, and then you get those healing benefits with an infrared it’s unique because it has a direct method of heat. It uses radiant heat, and it has the ability to directly penetrate, interact with the water molecules, raise our core body temperature, and then leads to all of those benefits. So it’s a wavelength from the sun, right? We get it from the sun, the wonderful healing light from the sun. This is invisible, but we experience it as heat. So if you go outside on a cold day, but the sun is out, the warmth that you feel on your skin, that’s the infrared, and it I like to use the comparison, like if you’re outside on a really hot summer day, and it’s 100 degrees outside, and you go in the shade, that’s like a traditional sauna. If you step out into the sun, that is infrared, right? And you experience it as a lot it’s a lot hotter, um. You get those benefits faster. Core body temperature is raising quicker and but you’re able to use them in the sauna at much lower temperatures to get those same benefits. So radiant heat, it accounts for about 50 or 60 degrees. So if you’re using the infrared sauna at 130 it’s pretty comparable to a traditional sauna at, you know, 171

Unknown Speaker 5:25
80 degrees.

Dr. Deb 5:27
That’s a huge difference. I love that the the room temperature in the sauna doesn’t get that hot, like you can be in there at 140 degrees, and it doesn’t feel that hot. And if it does get a little warm, you just kick the door open just a smidge, let a little bit of cool air come in to calm the temperature down a little bit so you can tolerate it, but it’s still completely penetrating your body. And I

Tiffany Dubeck 5:50
love that, yes, and you’re getting that infrared exposure within two minutes of starting your sauna. So some people like to get it in right away. We recommend heating it up to around 100 degrees and then getting in it’s you use it differently as well than a traditional sauna, but yeah, so much more comfortable. You’re not your lungs aren’t feeling all that heat and feeling very uncomfortable. I love to crack my door open to every once in a while, but we have a unique feature in our saunas, the active ventilation, the fresh air fan. So when you’re using that, it’s decreasing the carbon dioxide build up by 46% and it’s really eliminating those symptoms of feeling stuffy or claustrophobic that you usually get in the sauna. So again, it’s just however it’s like to make it more comfortable and however people can use it more consistently to get those long term benefits that are associated with sauna therapy.

Dr. Deb 6:48
Yeah, I love that. Can you explain? How does the infrared light support the actual detox pathway on a cellular level?

Unknown Speaker 6:56
Yeah, great question too.

Tiffany Dubeck 7:00
It uses has the unique ability to mobilize toxins out of the fat cells and directly out of the body. So you’re going to get a lot of, you know, cellular health benefits. That way, you’re removing a huge toxic load out of the body. It’s very effective for that. And I think, you know, really just raising the core body temperature is going to create some physiological adaptations in the body. When you use your sauna, consistently, over time, you’re going to become more heat acclimated, and then you’ll get the production of what’s called Heat Shock proteins. And these are like the special helper proteins in our body. They decline with age, and when you use sauna, you’re getting more of a production of them. And they’re, they’re going to go in and repair and fix any damage to the cell, so, so that it can’t lead to, you know, so it doesn’t lead to disease. So you get, yeah, using your sauna more consistently, you’re getting that, that great protection for your cells by heat shock protein production. One of the

Dr. Deb 8:08
things a lot of our clients ask is, what happens to me if I go in the sauna and I don’t really sweat?

Tiffany Dubeck 8:16
Yes, so that’s one of the other things. That’s one of the we have that happen a lot a lot of people don’t sweat easily, or they have a really high toxic load in their body, so it takes time, and that’s again, associated with becoming heat acclimated. So that happens by using the sauna consistently, you know, repetitively, over time, and one of those adaptations that happen, the changes in the body that leads to the benefits, are sweating more and at lower temperatures. So when you become heat acclimated, you will notice you will sweat more as the body becomes more efficient at cooling itself down. So it takes time. You know, some people have a condition, I guess, where they aren’t able to sweat, and those we usually don’t recommend, you know, in a sauna, or you work with the healthcare practitioner to address the root cause of that. But for general population, being consistent in your usage, you will notice you’ll be more effective at detoxing, and then you’re getting that huge load of, you know, the heavy metals, the arsenic, the mercury, cadmium, lead, a lot of the phthalates that we’re exposed to, the plasticizers,

Unknown Speaker 9:34
persistent organic pollutants. I mean, all the things, right?

Dr. Deb 9:37
85,000 chemicals that we can count to date, right?

Tiffany Dubeck 9:42
I think the EPA reported there’s like 20,000 of those that can’t be really readily eliminated from our body, because we don’t have those efficient like the detox pathways for them, so they just linger in our cells, mostly in our fat tissues, right? And that’s why Saunas are so great. Because they mobilize the toxins out of the fat cell, out of the body, and there’s data that shows where they tested that right? The bus studies, I don’t know if you’ve heard of that, the blood, urine and sweat studies, and there will be really high measurable levels of those heavy metals and toxins in the sweat that don’t show up in blood or urine. So sweating is extremely effective, and I should say to passive sweating through like the infrared sauna, because you’re not using you’re not making the byproducts of like that. You wouldn’t use it or make an exercise. So it’s even more effective at ridding the body of that high toxic load.

Dr. Deb 10:43
Yeah, it’s so important. I think, you know, it really helps to elevate any kind of treatment that you’re doing. But even if you’re not involved in a treatment, and maybe you’re not even feeling sick, but you just want to do something healthy, you know, we have to learn from our European friends who sauna every day, and in the parts of the country where they do that, they live longer, healthier lives, and we’ve never incorporated that in part of our daily habits. And I really think it’s something that we need to be looking at as a society.

Tiffany Dubeck 11:14
I think, yes, I think it’s so foundational, and it’s something like that, just this one thing can affect every system of the body, every process of the body, and helps to improve your lifespan, your health span. And there’s data to support it, which is always exciting, right? Science is there for it, infrared sauna specifically as well. And of course, yeah, much longer it goes back for the just the traditional saunas, but you’re getting those same benefits. But yeah, it’s, it’s really impressive, the data that’s there. And so if people are incorporating that into their everyday lives, we have to it used to be a question of, Do I need a detox? And now it’s like anyone with a pulse, yeah, detoxing consistently. And so it’s something you can do, and it’s relaxing, and it’s helping to, you know, reduce pain and inflammation. You feel better. It’s releasing endorphins in your brain. Your you know cognitive health is better. It’s just, yeah, adding more healthy years to your life, just doing so much right, helping with your sleep, yeah, all the things and just getting in your sauna can help with everything that you’re dealing with.

Dr. Deb 12:37
Yeah, I know many of our clients struggle with mold, heavy metals, chronic inflammation. How can infrared help with people that are struggling with these kinds of things?

Tiffany Dubeck 12:49
Yeah, it’s really good. So I say, like mold, illness, environmental toxins, right? It’s incredibly help. Helpful for just reducing that toxic load it’s going to linger in the tissues, lightens the toxic burden, helps your natural detox pathways function more optimally, and like Lyme and chronic fatigue, there’s a lot of connection with dysfunction In the mitochondria. Health with that helps with circulation, oxygen delivery, decreasing inflammatory markers. So it’s really, really nice too, because it has that it’s raising your core body temperature, gives you like that artificial fever, right, which is very effective for fighting off infections. And improving your immune system. But in the case of like auto immune disorders, where the immune system is already overactive, it has an immunomodulating effect, so it’s helping to just calm that balance the body balances the nervous system gets us out of fight or flight, yeah, helps with the parasympathetic nervous system. And just, it’s a great balance for that and just more effective at, you know, helping your body move through those diagnoses. Awesome.

Dr. Deb 14:19
Are there actually key physiological changes that happen after a session of sauna, like with the circulation or the lymph system. What actually is happening?

Tiffany Dubeck 14:29
Yeah, there’s definitely more. You know, increases circulation, it’s the heat shock protein production, which is, which is huge, right? Toxin removal, mood regulation,

Dr. Deb 14:47
does it drain the lymph system a little bit, or does the lymph system need to be moved after sauna

Tiffany Dubeck 14:53
therapy? That’s a good question. I like to incorporate. You know. Lymph exercises with that, I’ll jump on the trampoline or the rebounder before my sauna session. But it is moving. It’s moving blood around. It’s helping improve circulation. We have people that have that suffer from like Raynaud’s, yeah, and cold hands and feet and everything where they just, it’s really painful, or it’s just, you know, extra sensitive. And saunas improve that dramatically because it is helping with the lymph system, helping to remove that. I like to pair it with some lymph exercises as well. Just to help, of course, you can stretch inside the sauna as well to help with that.

Unknown Speaker 15:45
But yeah, definitely helping with the with moving the

Dr. Deb 15:47
lamp. That’s awesome. What about safety? Like I like to tell my clients to make sure they’re drinking electrolyte water when they’re in their sauna. Some people who we know have really bad detox pathways. We’ll have them use a binder before they go in. Do you have protocols that people can use to help them make a nicer session for their sauna therapy?

Tiffany Dubeck 16:11
Definitely. Yeah, we we’re very knowledgeable on our staff. We have a lot of expertise. We’re all like healthcare practitioners here. So anyone you know, when they call in, they’re going to be speaking with us, and we are able to provide them with different protocols of use depending on their specific situation. And if they’re extra sensitive, if they’re completely beginners with the sauna session, or if they’ve been using it for a while. They just need, like an overview, but yeah, general recommendations, I’d say you want to be replenishing your electrolytes. You want to be you know, your trace minerals that’s going to deplete over time a bit more with electrolytes every session. I love binders with big believer in binders, anything that will help support the body release all these toxins we’re exposed to. So me, personally, I it just really, I guess it depends on the person, and if they are in, like, a specific, like treatment with another doctor, if they just, you know, follow that. But yeah, I like to take two binders about 20 minutes before my sauna session, and then I’ll also do that after 20 minutes after the session as well, to bind up. It just really depends on how much of an aggressive approach I want to take with that. Yeah, and

Dr. Deb 17:33
that for our listeners, that’s binding like the chemicals and the toxins that your body is releasing, so that you’re not just releasing them back in where the body’s going to absorb again.

Tiffany Dubeck 17:43
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, like you think about people, I’ve had patients that would be anytime they would go get a massage, would feel so sick after, or right when you start, like a detox protocol, like with the supplements, you can go through the healing crisis, and like with the massage, you’re just you’re releasing all the toxins. It’s just moving around in the system, but it’s not as effective if your detox pathway, detox pathways are not functioning optimally. So it’s just giving it that extra support to bind to it release it out of the body, so you’re not having to deal with those negative, yeah, negative symptoms, and with infrared sauna specifically, because they do bind to, you know, mobilize the toxins and flush it out of the body through the sweat. It’s not having to go through the liver and the kidneys and where you do have more of, you know, those that healing crisis feeling, yeah, where you have to take it slower. We do. We do recommend that people ease into it, though, because it’s very effective at detox and just so you can feel better and be consistent with it, so we’re able to kind of gage where people are and see what they’re going through, and get them, you know, protocols that would fit,

Dr. Deb 19:02
yeah. And very important to shower afterwards, not like, don’t go all day without showering after your sauna, whether you sweat or not,

Tiffany Dubeck 19:11
yeah, you want to actually, yeah. And if you know, if you’re using the sauna consistently, you’ll be sweating more. You want to wipe down your sweat in the session just to help the detox. And yep, I like to I’ll sweat. My body doesn’t cool down as quickly after a sauna. So I’ll wait about three to five minutes just to stop, like actively sweating so much before I get in my in the shower, but I’m, you know, wiping off the toxin so it doesn’t get reabsorbed. But, yeah, you definitely want to shower pretty quickly after, after a sauna session, get all the junk out.

Dr. Deb 19:53
Yeah, exactly. Can we talk a little bit? There’s so much sauna noise out there, right? There’s portable saunas. There’s different types of saunas. Let’s talk about the differences of saunas. Because I always tell people I’m not a fan of the portable saunas, like the plastic ones that you just pop up. We’re trying to get rid of toxins. We’re not trying to sweat toxins in so I don’t like that, and I don’t really care what the manufacturer says about there not being plastics, I don’t buy that, and I don’t like the idea of your head being out because your head needs to sweat too. So let’s talk about some of those different saunas that are out there, and some of the myths and what makes health tech sauna more unique?

Tiffany Dubeck 20:36
Yes, yeah, it’s funny, because I actually my first sauna was a portable sauna, and first time I used it, the smell was so bad from the off gassing of chemicals from the material, I had instant migraine and tried it one other time, probably months later, same thing, and I even lathered myself up with essential oils. And I’m doing all the things because I’m like, this is supposed to be helping. And, yeah, it’s just, there’s just not. We haven’t found in our company, we’ve looked into this, we have not found an effective solution for, like, a portable sauna, in that sense, for it to actually be like, we don’t like to cut corners that are going to negatively impact people’s health, so we’re not willing to cut that corner. That’s a big one. That’s a big one. It’s a big one. Yeah, but yes, there’s a lot of noise in our in the sauna space. Our industry isn’t regulated, so claims can be thrown out there without any validity, no credibility, no backing. So we are, we’re big on educating people. We want people to know, like, what to look for when you’re comparing, because people should compare. You should do your research and your due diligence. Of course, when you have a practitioner that’s done that work for you, it’s so nice and so much nicer because you’re like, I’m trusting their recommendation. But yeah, we have a lot of exclusive features that really set us apart. And I think the biggest one is our heater technology. So we use it’s very different from like the carbon panel heaters, that’s what you usually see, in infrared sauna is the black panels and ours. It’s our own design. We have patents on it. It’s a high grade metal, and it has a curved reflective metal backing. So basically it’s doubling the amount of infrared that’s directed toward a person. The carbon panel heaters, they lose a lot of energy on the back. They’re not as effective at raising the core body temperature. So we’re able to target a large amount of infrared energy to the body heat it up quickly and effectively. We’ve actually proven this. We have a calorimetry video on our website. I’m not sure if you’ve seen that. It’s right. It’s just amazing. Comparing our sauna to a carbon panel sauna, and how effectively that heats the water molecules, and it’s 34% more effective. So in essence, 34% more infrared. More infrared equals more benefits. That means you’re going to sweat quicker. You’re going to sweat more at lower temperatures. You’re going to get more heat, shock, protein production, more baseline level. It’s going to improve exercise tolerance and recovery and all the wonderful cardiovascular benefits that you get, just all the things. So you want more infrared, more effective at heating the body. Our Infrared Saunas are different. They’re just powerful. They’re amazing. A lot of people have tried infrared they didn’t like it. Not all are created equal, so that’s really important. Our heaters are exceptional. We’ve never had a heater wear out in our 27 year history, so the longevity is unmatched. But I would say also the EMF mitigation, the electromagnetic field mitigation, that is very important, because in saunas, I mean, Saunas are notorious for having high EMF levels. And you have the heaters there, you’re sitting pretty close to them, that exposure has been linked to a lot of damage, oxidative stress, you know, DNA, strand breakage, it can lead to poor sleep, difficulty concentrating, brain fog. Cancers, more pain in the body. It just it’s flooding your cells with with calcium. The ion channels are opening when they’re not supposed to. It’s just Yeah, causing a lot of long term damage, and we see that especially in the brain and the heart, because that’s where more of those channels are found.

Dr. Deb 24:53
So yeah, they’ve done some studies linking EMF to neurological disease and Ms. And migraines, all kinds of stuff like that is starting to come out now, and we’re starting to see those effects of that. EMF, so if you’re trying to do something that’s good for you, the last thing you want to be doing is spending 40 minutes in Asana directly next to some more EMF, while you’re trying to help yourself instead of you might as well sit in front of your computer.

Tiffany Dubeck 25:19
Then that’s what I’m saying. Yeah, exactly, because you’re just, you’re just adding so much more stress to the body as it’s trying to relax and detox and heal, and you shouldn’t have to detox from your sauna.

Unknown Speaker 25:34
So yeah.

Dr. Deb 25:36
So the only thing I love about your saunas, too is the wood you guys use poplar wood, which is one of the cleanest that you can get, and there’s no varnish or stain placed anywhere, because that’s the other thing. A beautiful stained sauna has a whole ton of chemicals on it.

Tiffany Dubeck 25:54
Yep, yeah, we don’t do any Well, first of all, it comes down to if you have 100% single weight construction or not, a lot of companies may claim that. But then they add like particle board or plywood into the like the roof, or they hide it in the back, and that can off gas formaldehyde, which is carcinogen. We don’t treat any of our wood. It’s 100% Hemlock or poplar wood and Poplar. Yes, the most doctor recommend is the cleanest, healthiest does not have a smell, so even the most chemically sensitive can use it with no issues. We’re so trusted in our industry, we have, you know, we’re referred to by 6000 healthcare practitioners. We’re in cancer clinics. We’re in these healing centers, because people are actually going to get the benefits that they expect without any of that negative exposure. So, yeah, the poplar is a beautiful wood. Lowest voc and, yeah, no issues with that,

Dr. Deb 26:53
yeah. How long does a typical session last for you guys? What do you recommend for maximum benefit?

Tiffany Dubeck 27:00
Typical sessions once you’re, you know, once you’ve been using the sauna for a while, I recommend around the 30 minute mark. But you can go, I mean, this, the scientific studies that prove the benefits were all done in the range of 120 to 140 degrees and for 20 to 30 minutes. So as long as you’re in that range, you know, you’re getting the full benefits. We have people that like to, you know, that are more hardcore and want to stay in, you know, 40 or 45 minutes. I do that sometimes in the especially in the winter time, if it takes a little longer for my body temperature to rise. But yeah, 3030 minutes is a sweet spot, and of course, work up to that

Dr. Deb 27:45
and work up awesome. So let’s talk about how people can incorporate son of therapy into their existing health routines to make it not like another chore we have to do. Right?

Tiffany Dubeck 27:59
Sure. Yeah. Um, I mean, do you have any recommendations for that? I usually tell people like it just whenever you can use it, however you can use it, however, how often you can use it and be comfortable use your sauna, yeah, because we’re gonna get those long term benefits there. Absolutely,

Dr. Deb 28:18
you know, in an ideal world, we would be using our saunas every day, right? But most of us find it really hard to get that into our lifestyle. I tell people, start with at least once or twice a week as you’re starting out. Start out slow, work your way up, and then if you can try it, just like you try to incorporate it wherever you can. It gets very hard. It gets very hard to find the time. What I love about the the saunas, though, is they don’t get super hot. So you can take your phone into the sauna with you. If you have to do emails or you want to listen to a podcast or something, don’t take your whole computer in there. I’ve done that. The computer doesn’t like that.

Tiffany Dubeck 29:00
I’m like, Oh, it’s getting quite hot here, but then I’ll just maybe crack the door a little bit more. I mean, it’s it’s best, of course, to disconnect, yes, tronics. But yeah, we live busy lives. People are busy. People will make excuses about that. And yeah, however, you can start using your sauna consistently, because, and for me, what, what helps me to use the sauna more consistently and fight and like, incorporate it into my life and make time for it is looking back at all the benefits, right? Because those long term like the longevity, the health span, all of those long term benefits are from using the sauna at least four to seven days a week. So four four times a week of consistent use, you’ll see a 40% decrease in all cause mortality, right? Stroke, heart attack, cancer, it’s all the anti inflammatory effects of heats on protein production. Question, 46% lower risk of hypertension, 63% reduced heart disease mortality. You get a 66% decreased incidence of dementia and Alzheimer’s, which is incredible. That’s huge. 66% that’s huge. I use Yeah, I think one of them was 66 one of them 67 just Yeah, mind blowing stats. But that’s what helps

Dr. Deb 30:31
me, yeah, just by using your sauna, just by going in and sitting there and taking a little downtime for yourself, right? Just taking care of yourself. And I always tell patients, you know, you have to look at it this way. You’re either going to pay on the front end or you’re going to pay on the back end. So you can either take 30 to 40 minutes a day, even 20 minutes a day, take 20 minutes a day and pay for it on the front side, or you don’t do any of this and you get sick and now you’re spending hours going to see the doctor, traveling, taking supplements, 1000s of dollars in protocols and trying to get yourself better. And now you have more downtime from your life, because all of that stuff takes a ton of time and energy. And of course, you don’t feel good at that point, and you don’t have the energy to enjoy your life. So you get to choose what you want to do in your life, but definitely pay for it on the front end instead of on the back end, because you don’t want to get sick. That’s the whole idea. We’re trying to prevent those terrible things from happening to you. Yeah, you

Tiffany Dubeck 31:30
don’t have your health. You don’t have anything, nothing. Yeah, you need that for, yeah, for every area of your life. And it’s nice, you think about it too. It’s like, it’s, it mimics cardiovascular exercise. So take your sauna over going for a workout. Yeah?

Dr. Deb 31:48
Exactly right. You have to choose between going for a walk or going in your sauna. Choose your sauna, especially if you’re in but of course, in cold climate,

Tiffany Dubeck 31:56
you’re gonna double, you’re gonna double the benefits, yeah? But yeah. I mean, you don’t really have excuses to, you know, if people are hurt, if they have an injury, they can’t, you know, they’re lacking their mobility. Get in the sauna, yeah, if you’re, if you’re feeling like your your immune system is, you know, sluggish. You’ve been eating a lot of holiday candy and the sleeves and stuff, get in the sauna, it’ll zap it right out, like, yeah, there’s just Yeah.

Dr. Deb 32:25
During cold and flu season, great time to use your sauna. Or if you feel like you’re coming down with something, make sure you get in there and sweat. I did this during the pandemic, and it helped me so much from being sicker than I could have been when I did get sick with the lovely virus, but it also helps prevent me from getting sick, like when I travel and things like that. I want to be coming home and getting in that sauna as quickly as I can so that I can start clearing out a lot of those things that I’ve been exposed to.

Tiffany Dubeck 32:56
Yeah, definitely using it consistently, your cells are going to be hardier, healthier, you’re more resilient. Overall, everything’s functioning more optimally.

Dr. Deb 33:06
You know, I think the study about Alzheimer’s and dementia 66% that is profound. So 30 minutes to 40 minutes in your sauna, four days a week, or a lifetime in a memory care unit, in a place where nobody cares about you and nobody wants to take care of you, and your family can’t come and see you because they can’t tolerate the fact that you don’t know them anymore. Hmm, that’s a big driver to getting into that sauna and taking care of yourself, for sure, that’s the number one concern we hear about. Is that that people feel like they are losing their memory, and they are afraid of getting Alzheimer’s. And if this is something that they can do something so simple as a preventative, my gosh, why wouldn’t we do this? We wouldn’t too.

Tiffany Dubeck 33:51
Yeah, everyone needs, everyone needs a sauna. I agree with benefit. It’s yeah, it’s just, it’s like a staple that should be in your home. Everyone’s home,

Dr. Deb 34:04
yeah, how can practitioners, or people that are listening to this, that have a desire to get a sauna in their practice? How can they integrate this so it’s seamless and it’s easy?

Tiffany Dubeck 34:18
Yeah, good question. We we actually will work with the practitioner, help them. There’s different options for however they’re wanting to. They can integrate it into their the care plans that they have. They can, you know, do session by session. They can do packages. It’s really nice to have. We have a lot of practitioners that use that in their practice and and you’re helping, of course, it’s just adding another wonderful wellness tool for people to benefit from. And then, usually, once they’re noticing the the benefits that they’re getting by using it in the clinic, they want to get one for themselves that you’ll have even more long term, you know, benefits and it’ll support. Of the therapy that the practitioners are already doing. So yeah, there’s different ways that we that we work with practitioners. We do have a great program as well where we can work with education and, you know, things like that, just to make sure that that they’re all set up and we can help their team as well. But yeah, it’s mainly comes down to the health of the patient and what you can offer to just positively impact that.

Dr. Deb 35:29
That’s awesome. What are some of the advancements that have you excited in the world of infrared sauna these days?

Tiffany Dubeck 35:37
So glad you asked. We just released our new smart sauna. Know, a lot of people don’t, don’t love that word, yes, they don’t more EMF, but our smart son is different. But we’ve released that, believe it was last year. And so it does that have that capability to remotely start through an app on your phone, which is so convenient. Very convenient, yeah, especially having, like, the traditional sauna, which I love. I mean, my foundation sauna. Love that, but I would use it more if I had the remote stars. So some people would get the smart sauna just for that. But we what’s really exciting, this is our own data that went into this program. We have the sauna guide. And I’m not sure if you’ve looked into this, but it’s really exciting. And so it has all the science and research integrated into this program. And you know, all the benefits that I talked about with becoming heat acclimated, and it’s a bit complex. It does it all for you, and it’s able to really accurately predict someone’s level of heat acclimation, or what we call sauna fitness. And you see it all on the screen. You know people are into, like the bio hacking, if you like, to see the data there it is based on research and also specific to you, like the person answers questions at the beginning, and it’s able to accurately predict that, so it’ll give you adaptive guidance when you should use your sauna next, and for how long, based on that research specific to you in order to gain or maintain Your level of heat acclimation. So really, it’s just like taking all the guesswork out of maximizing your benefits of using Asana, usually, with the smart technology, it comes with, like, a learning curve, and it’s harder, you know, to use. Yeah, it’s it’s not like that. It is seamless. It does all the work for you. I always tell people, it’s smart so you don’t have to be I love that. Think about it. It’s doing all this. It’s telling you what to do. So you don’t, you know, you don’t even have to worry about, well, am I using this right? I need to look at my protocol. I don’t know when the last I don’t remember the last time I used it. So if you go out of town and you come back, it’ll get you back on track. That’s great. Show you when you Yeah, amazing. Everyone in your family can have their own user profile, so it’s specific to each user. We’re incorporating that also into clinics and with the healthcare practitioners and helping to tweak certain programs for them. Specifically. That’s it’s extremely exciting and it’s wonderful, and people again tend to use it more consistently because it’s fun. You see it, it’s telling you when you need to use it again for your benefits. And yeah, so that’s that’s just great. We’re just trying to get that just more people educated about that. Of course, it also has these wonderful features, other features that are specific to like relaxation. So Guided Breathing programs, guided meditations. We’re launching a podcast app so we can feature some of our wonderful practitioners, so people are getting educated, or they can, yeah, do the relaxation. They can stream music. It’s just Yeah. It’s really nice. And best part, because when it comes to EMF, and we didn’t even mention, I didn’t even get to this before, but EMF, you want to make sure that magnetic fields and electric fields are both mitigated. So that includes both, and there’s, yeah, some some stuff in our in our industry, where you know, they’re just mitigating magnetic fields, if that, or claiming low EMS, yeah. So it’s really confusing, but both of those numbers need to be mitigated. And with the smart sauna, you do connect to Wi Fi to heat it up. You get in, you can choose low EMF mode, and it seamlessly reduces that so it’s just as low EMF as our foundation models. That’s awesome. Yeah, that’s very, very important to us to have that EMF exposure lowered. Yeah,

Dr. Deb 39:56
I didn’t ask this earlier. What is the difference between. Between far infrared and near infrared? Oh,

Tiffany Dubeck 40:03
yes, that’s also, that’s probably one of the biggest questions that we get to that is confusing. So it is on that spectrum, wavelength of light, and it’s the it’s the shorter wavelengths, and near infrared is usually paired with red light for red light therapy. So those red light therapy devices that you hear about, or the you know, the masks that produce them, or the panels, some Saunas are adding red light therapy into the saunas that incorporates red light along with near infrared, so there’s less less full body benefits. It doesn’t raise your core body. It’s not the same as far infrared. That’s the true workhorse of a sauna where you get all the benefits. Near Infrared is very effective, though, too. Red light therapy has amazing benefits for especially superficial with the skin, there’s mitochondrial benefits, decreasing inflammation. I love to use a red light therapy device, but when you’re talking about in a sauna, it’s never been studied. So all the, yeah, the 40 plus years of research that’s been 50 years of research that’s been down infrared sauna has never have been done on like, incorporating full spectrum, or

Dr. Deb 41:30
it’s not going to penetrate as deep as infrared. So you’re not going to get that same kind of detox.

Tiffany Dubeck 41:36
Not at all. No, you’re really you’re going for what’s called photobiomodulation. So it’s a different chemical reaction that happens in the body, and it’s really dependent upon dosage, and the strength, the distance from where you’re being exposed, all of these things, and it requires what’s called a hormetic zone, so too little is going to be ineffective, and too much can be harmful. So there’s a sweet spot that it needs, and it’s just really hard to get in a sauna because it’s not, you’re not actually getting the benefits that were studied from what’s being advertised, just because it’s not, there’s not enough of that to give you benefit. With the foreign with the full spectrum, you know, it could have some some negative health effects. So we, we stick with far infrared. That’s what’s been proven. That’s where you’re getting all those benefits. And there’s a lot of benefits that you’re getting with far infrared saunas that you get from red light as well, like, you know, the skin benefits, the mitochondrial healthy, decreasing inflammation, so you’re not missing out on any benefits. But I do tell people, if you want to, you know, get your red light device you want to help with, you know, skin some superficial benefits by a separate device. You use it outside of the sauna because you really don’t want to be your body. You don’t want your body to be heated up when you’re using it, it doesn’t it’s not able to have that conversion, to have the benefits when you’re when your core temperature is elevated that much. So use a reputable red light therapy device outside of the sauna for maybe 15 to 20 minutes at the most. That has to be regulated as well.

Dr. Deb 43:30
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Tiffany, if there’s one thing you could tell our listeners about the importance of sauna detox, what would it be? What Oh,

Tiffany Dubeck 43:42
let’s see. I would just say it’s so important, especially as we age, to sweat every day. Sweat often. Just if you keep sweating, you’re going to live longer and healthier and happier, and yeah, when you’re using your sauna, of course, you’re getting that that sweat, all those wonderful benefits, and you’re just helping to to protect your health, get your family using the sauna as well, make it a bonding experience, like it’s just yeah, just this, just the one simple thing, this has such Amazing impacts on all areas of your life.

Dr. Deb 44:22
So So ladies, remember, it’s not a bad thing to sweat. It’s a good thing to sweat. Let’s embrace that and enjoy that.

Tiffany Dubeck 44:32
It’s like your anti aging secret. It really is true. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And helping so much with hormones. And you said, ladies, as we age, yeah, yeah, very, very important, especially for that, specifically when you’re going through the changes and menopause, perimenopause, all of these things that happen. Sonic therapy is where it’s at. That’s where you’re going to be. Protecting, you know, helping your body address the changes that are happening there, and you know, in a healthier way and decrease those symptoms that come with it, helping with hormone balancing, decrease your cortisol, and helping with muscle growth as well right age related sarcopenia that happens Saunas are huge with helping to restore muscle and build muscle, you can build muscle just by sitting in a passive like just by sitting in passive sweating in a sauna. Isn’t that great?

Dr. Deb 45:36
Tiffany, thank you so much for joining us today and for sharing your wisdom and how infrared therapy can truly change the way we heal. I really appreciate you being here.

Tiffany Dubeck 45:46
So wonderful. Thanks for having me. And yeah, if anyone’s interested, of course, they can call in. We love to speak with them. They can, they can, they can reach us at our phone number, if it’s on our website. I don’t know if I have access to that right now, but WWW dot high tech health.com is our website. And then whenever they call in, they’ll speak to me or one of our lovely, my lovely colleagues, and they can mention this podcast or Dr Deb, and they’ll get an extra special discount on top of our

Dr. Deb 46:21
sale. Yes, they’ve been very generous. They’re giving us a $500 off for any of you listeners that want to enjoy a health tech sauna in your home. So this is one of your best investments that you can make for your body’s longevity, the detox and daily well being. So take advantage of that. Christmas is coming. If people are looking for Christmas ideas for you, because you have everything, tell them you want a health tech sauna. It’s the best Christmas present that you could give anybody you know you’re giving them health and wellness. So

Unknown Speaker 46:52
it truly is, yeah, great idea.

Dr. Deb 46:56
So until next time I’m Dr dobb, reminding you your body was designed to heal. You just need to give it the right tools. Thank you for joining us today on this podcast, and we look forward to seeing you in our next episode. Thank

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