Tony Overbay is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, a Certified Mindful Habit Coach, author, motivational speaker and the host of the award-winning podcast, The Virtual Couch. Tony is a convert to the church and has served as a Young Men president twice, taught early morning seminary for seven years, and started a Pornography Addiction Support Group in his stake. Beckie Hennessy is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker, has been a therapist since 2007, and currently owns BRICKS Family Counseling, Inc. She has a podcast called The Path of Imperfection (changing soon to The Path of Connection) and has written a book, Ministering Through Connection. She currently serves as a Stake Young Women president.

Highlights
9:45 Anxiety in the times of Covid-19, and how anxiety can be confused with personal revelation
12:55 The unknown leads our minds to cognitive bias and confirmation bias, which then results in polarization
15:35 Anxiety that comes from what our minds think we are missing
16:25 Everyone is experiencing anxiety and worry because that’s what our brains do
18:30 Defaulting to agency and letting people choose how they will act
21:00 Framing the discussion by asking open-ended questions instead of shutting down people with assumptions
22:05 Empathy, being heard, and agreeing/being on the same team
26:45 The sacrament experience with church at home and how this can change how we approach the sacrament when returning to church at church: resetting our experience
34:20 Resetting the church culture
36:25 What about cleaning in the nursery?
37:35 Values pizza and how it could be applied to holding sacrament meetings
42:25 Defaulting to the socially compliant pizzas, and corrupting the culture with rules
43:50 Psychological reactants: instant negative reaction to being told what to do
46:20 TFTs: Terrible First Times and restructuring according to our values
49:25 Everyone is doing the best they can
51:30 Paying attention to the Spirit more than paying attention to what is happening around you, and identifying a focal point for the meeting
55:00 Handling feedback with empathy then counseling with others before making a decision
59:40 Story of using empathy with the ward member who wanted the air conditioning off
1:02:20 Spiritual trump cards from a leader’s standpoint
1:06:45 The Holy Ghost card/personal revelation and anxiety coming from an individual’s standpoint
1:12:00 Beckie’s experience with anxiety and returning to church: the need to be heard
1:17:30 Truth, Beauty, and Goodness: finding these values in the ward experience amidst change
1:29:30 The Measuring Stick and creating shame glitter: dangers of using behavior to determine truth of doctrine, to measure how well we are doing as leaders, or to measure someone’s righteousness
1:34:45 Shame has no part in unconditional love and the Atonement
Links
Beckie on Instagram: beckie.hennessy.lcsw
The Path of Imperfection/The Path of Connection podcast
BeckieHennessy.com
The Virtual Couch Podcast
TonyOverbay.com
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