In this candid episode, Sean sits down with Steve Clifford and Jay Kim to unpack the multi-year leadership transition at Westgate Church. With honesty and humility, Steve and Jay share how they navigated timing, succession, and the evolving dynamics of leadership, both spiritually and practically. They talk about the emotional tension of letting go and stepping up, the importance of relationship and trust, and what it really takes to support the incoming leader. Plus, they reflect on how embracing discomfort and obscurity is essential for a healthy baton pass. Whether you're a pastor planning a transition or a church leader walking alongside one, this episode is packed with hard-earned wisdom and hope.

Welcome to Episode 132 of the Leaders in Living Rooms Podcast with Sean Morgan.

EPISODE LINKS

Jay Kim’s Website

Gaining By Losing, by J.D. Greear

sean@theascentleader.org

theascentleader.org

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WHO IS STEVE CLIFFORD?

Steve has served the Bay Area for over 30 years as a pastor with the last 21 years spent at Westgate church. Through his leadership, Westgate has grown from 300 to 2500 and he has helped generate a generous mindset in this church where it has gone from giving a few thousand dollars a year away to giving away $2 million a year. He has led this community through building campaigns. Under his leadership Westgate has planted 2 churches and helped countless others by his involvement in the South Bay Pastors Network (SBPN) and his being a founding board member of TBC (https://www.tbc.city). He and his wife Dana also bring the unique perspective of doing ministry as a team and have served in that capacity for almost 20 years. Dana served as pastor at Westgate for 15+ years and was the campus pastor for our largest campus for over 5 years. Finally, Steve and Dana have led Westgate through a succession transition and placed Jay Kim as the new lead pastor of Westgate, freeing up Steve and Dana to now invest in pastors around the Bay Area.  They are grandparents to two great g’kids and Dana is currently working on a Spiritual Direction Certificate.

WHO IS JAY KIM?

Jay Y. Kim serves as lead pastor at WestGate Church in the Silicon Valley of California. He's the author of Analog Christian, Analog Church, and Listen Listen Speak. Some of his written work has been featured in Christianity Today, The Gospel Coalition, Missio Alliance, and Relevant Magazine. Jay also hosts IVP's Digital Examen podcast. He resides in Silicon Valley with his family.

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