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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Anti-gun movement, New Jersey, Attorney General Matthew Platkin, Safe Office, Bruen decision, gun rights, firearm enforcement, Butcher’s Gun World, legal swatting, ghost guns, New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Club, carry permit, New Jersey gun law, pork roll controversy, gun lawyer.

SPEAKERS

Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2

Teddy Nappen 00:15
I’m Teddy Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. My father is allowed to be on vacation and could not make it to the episode, but don’t worry, he’ll come back. I know we were going into details on the face of the anti-gun movement. We talked about who is truly the effective anti-gun, gun rights oppressionists of New Jersey. Everyone might just shout out, oh, Governor Murphy, obviously. I get that. However, there is one individual who has become the attack dog or spearhead of the anti-gun agenda in New Jersey and has been very effective at attacking our rights. Even now, as we have the Bruen decision, as we have many pro-gun avenues like Ford, where we’re getting far more wins than we could have ever imagined. The one individual who has been an absolute destroyer of our rights is Attorney General Matthew J. Platkin.

Teddy Nappen 01:31
Now, we’ve talked about Platkin with his SAFE Office, the Statewide Affirmative Firearms Enforcement Office. It sounds really official. They have used this as a weaponization against our rights because they’ve already conceded the grounds of, okay, they can’t win legally in terms of Constitutionality. We’re winning on those fronts, slowly but surely. They can’t win on the voice of ideas, because the anti-gun arguments are immediately shut down. The only time they can ever even attempt to pull something out is whenever there’s a mass shooting and they try to blood dance. But with the Charlie Kirk assassination,, the ICE attack and then every single Left wing attack, the conversation has pivoted to mental health and highlighting those factors. So essentially, we’ve won in terms of the argument ideas.

Teddy Nappen 02:30
So, they can’t win on Constitutionality. They can’t win in the open forum of ideas. What do they have left? Well, Platkin found his avenue. We talked about how the AG launched two suits. They were going after two gun shops, basically saying that they violated New Jersey’s law. This is actually on the AG’s website, and he’s bragging about it. (https://www.njoag.gov/ag-platkin-announces-victory-in-gun-store- case/) Like he’s not hiding it. This is what he is doing. Attorney General Matthew Platkin announces a significant victory against Butch’s Gun World, a Vineland gun store that sold over 1000 rounds of AR-15 ammunition and other gun-related products. Gun-related products. And what does that apply to? An accessory. A sling, a piece of metal. Like what is it. They just, whatever. Whatever catch-all term that they have, and without making any efforts to determine that they could lawfully possess a firearm, which, whatever. That’s not how the law is applied. But you know, what does that fall to the Attorney General.
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Teddy Nappen 03:44
He goes into great detail on how he just brags about it, where the SAFE Office launched their attack in March of 2025 with two retailers. The one that settled where, essentially now the gun shop has to send all transactions, all transactions, any gun-related transactions they have to send to the office. So, you’re not only registering guns, you’re not only registering ammunition, you’re registering any gun-related products. This is the gun rights suppressor’s wet dream. Gathering their list of any and all things that are even related to guns. The one group settled. However, Butch’s Gun World actually tried to fight it. And I love this part of the article where Judge Robert Malestein of the New Jersey Superior Court, Chancellors Division, rejected Butch’s Gun World’s attempt to avoid liability. The ruling noted the facts of the case that Butch’s Gun World, established by SAFE undercover investigators, were not in dispute. Okay? Not in dispute. They’re disputing that what they had there was legal. Not that the undercovers are saying that it is illegal. And held that there was no evidence that Butch’s Gun World had established any controls regarding the sales of gun-related products.

Teddy Nappen 05:12
What controls were they required? What controls are needed for that? There wasn’t anything needed for gun-related products. And this is my favorite part. The court therefore granted summary judgment in favor of the Attorney General, issued an injunction compelling Butcher’s Gun World to immediately comply with the Firearm Industry Public Safety Law. And what is the requirements that the AG has now tacked on? Ask for a government-issued photo identification such as a driver’s license potential buyer to card or permit that lack of photo identification. Keep records of all sales of gun-related products, detailing the verifications means of each sale for three years. Transmit those records to the SAFE office and write a set of policies used to educate and train each of the staff in terms of the injunction of those written policies within the space of the accessibility to staff during business hours.

Teddy Nappen 06:16
So what does that mean? Now this shop, this gun shop, has to effectively report all of their sales transactions. Not just guns. Not just ammunition. Anything that they determine to be gun-related products, and now they have to send it all to the SAFE office. What are they doing with that information? Well, obviously they’re making, compiling, a massive registry and records. Keeping track of all purchases. I wonder why they’re doing that? Something, something. Legislation leads to Registration, leads to Confiscation, leads to Extermination. That’s the game. It doesn’t go into detail regarding if he’s challenging the court’s summary judgment. I would. This is insanity for the for them to not be allowed. There was no dispute that everything was done legally and that the AG is weaponizing the SAFE office to go after gun shops. Because now they’re trying to do that.

Teddy Nappen 07:23
I love the Left’s term. They’re trying to coin the term, food desert. Which, by the way, a food desert is a myth. You can. That’s ridiculous. And now they’re trying to do news deserts with the defunding of PBS. Well, here’s the actual strategy, gun deserts. That is their goal. Gun deserts. Fine. You can have your rights. Good luck trying to get a firearm. And they’re trying to go after these shops any way they can. And this is the highlight of Platkin’s career, as there have been many things that he has done when he was appointed by Governor Murphy. This is going off of the Democrat Attorney General Association, which is one heck of a group. (https://dems.ag/profile/matthew-platkin/) You can just see here are all the gun rights oppressors all listed out, and they’re pushed to go after our rights. He has launched his attacks, and all this is on his website.
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Teddy Nappen 08:20
He’s bragging about his attacks. I love this. He sent a letter to Glock after suing them. A letter being issued by the City of Chicago in that where they march, they Chicago had filed suits against Glock, knowing their guns can be easily adopted to make into a machine gun with the addition of an auto sear. I love how they always tote the auto seer. They always try to drag those things in every single time. Really, that’s the threat? The current issue of crime that people do? Yeah, the massive influx of auto sears. Yeah, that’s the real problem. And the City said machine guns have become a weapon of choice for the criminals of Chicago. Yeah, yeah. Not the fact that it’s just a pistol, typically, not an actual machine gun, like. And the letter detailing that they had sent out basically modification to Glock handguns through the use of switches. How Glock pistols are designed to develop a function as semiotic, any efforts Glock may have taken in considering and Glocks knowledge about all state and federal laws regulating the Glock switches and converting Glock machine guns. Legal responsibility as a manufacturer these guns, whether they follow the law and financial details about Glock pistols, including profits, manufacturing, distribution costs. Oh, that’s nice. Yeah, Glock just hand over all their details on who you’ve been selling to, who’s been buying and selling Glock pistols, and keep track of those. That’s always the goal they want. It’s all about control, yeah. And then they highlighted their suit against Glock for violating state firearm industries for New Jersey.

Teddy Nappen 10:19
And then, of course, he tacked himself on with 20 other Attorney Generals in their amicus brief on the new federal rule regarding ghost guns. Ghost guns. Unserialized weapons that are often made at home – kits, parts, completely framed receivers. It can be purchased without any background check. Such weapons are illegal in New Jersey. The rule would ensure that buyers pass background checks before purchasing such kits. They see here, just trying to justify the gun control movement by going after Glock switches, ghost guns and targeting dealers because that is all they have now. They know they can’t win in any other form of attacks, and now they’re going to sue us out of our rights. That’s the only thing left they have.

Teddy Nappen 11:20
And I also love this one, too. He also spearheaded with the SAFE office to install an app for legal swatting, essentially. This comes from New Jersey Health and News, which, that’s the whole goal. The app will be available for download on mobile devices. It allows you to submit anonymous reporting. Youth and Families can anonymously request help for mental health issues, housing and food security, domestic violence. There it is. Among other concerns, the initial builds the existence of the NJ DOH school-based infrastructure already providing the opportunity to New Jersey’s highest need districts by connecting with existing youth family wellness programs currently in New Jersey school district safe. New Jersey will become a key element of the continuum service provided by the new NJ DOH, aimed at keeping students, staff and families safe.

Teddy Nappen 12:17
What does that mean? Now, you have anonymous reporting where someone can say something. Oh, a kid disagrees with his father and downloads the app. He writes that my father is a gun owner, and we had an argument. And now you submit that and, boom, Red Flag. That’s how they do it. They want to make it easy because that’s what they do. That’s what they want to do. To create this legalized swatting. And they always tie it to “stop school violence” or to “improve school safety”. They always highlight that. You know, I’m waiting for when these app, when they actually can see the abuse that
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comes into play and see the messages that are actually posted on there. Because what? Someone says that, and you’re just taking the word from an anonymous post from them, and that destroys lives.

Teddy Nappen 13:19
We’ve seen this time and time again. We’ve seen people where, you know, the domestic violence is the he annoyed me or he threw pretzels at me. That level of domestic violence. And that’s how lives are destroyed. That’s how rights are destroyed, are taken. And this is what Platkin’s goal. This is what he wants to do. And you see that where the whole game is that they’re trying to aim for. They want to sue our rights into oblivion. And God forbid you are ever in a moment where you need to use your firearm for self-defense. Because that’s the only thing else they can do. They’ll take you to court, and more than likely, they’ll lose. But they don’t care. They’ll destroy your life. They’ll tote you out there and turn you into Daniel Penny or Kyle Rittenhouse, trying to destroy your character when they were both fully justified in their actions and proven not guilty. It’s something that definitely the fight goes on. Always, when it comes to these individuals.

Teddy Nappen 14:25
So, I think we need a cheerier note on when you are carrying and you need to prep yourselves. You guys should go out to our buddies at WeShoot. WeShoot offers the classes to get your CCARE certifications so you can get your New Jersey Permit to Carry. WeShoot is a range in Lakewood, New Jersey. They have fantastic facilities with great training and a great pro shop. They have all kinds of deals and specials. We love WeShoot. That’s where myself and my father go and where we got our Certifications. Just go there and mention Gun Lawyer, and you’ll be treated like royalty. And if you don’t mention Gun Lawyer, you’ll still be treated like royalty. Because they’re the best. WeShootusa.com is their website with beautiful photos, and you don’t want to miss the WeShoot girls that are posing with gorgeous guns. And those the guns that they have, that you can buy, and they have great deals, great sales. They can not only sell you the guns, but also teach you how to effectively use them. Check out weshootusa.com. WeShoot is conveniently located in Lakewood, New Jersey, right off the Parkway. You’ll be glad you did it.

Teddy Nappen 15:40
And again, going at the legality of currently fighting the good fight against the gun rights oppressors and laws that are in New Jersey. Let’s talk about our friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. ANJRPC just had a decision in federal court where the Appellate Court gave a mixed win at the moment. But, of course, the fight isn’t over. We’ll call it a partial victory regarding “sensitive places”, the Carry Killer bill, essentially what the status quo is at the moment has been maintained. You can still carry in your vehicle with the carjacker protection law that has still been enjoined. You can conceal carry loaded on your person in your vehicle with a New Jersey Permit to Carry. That is still enjoined. And you can do that because, remember the Carry Kill Bill tried to prevent that. You can still go on your property, private property, as long as it’s open to the public and not otherwise a “sensitive place”.

Teddy Nappen 16:40
We lost a little bit in terms of filming locations, in terms of movie filming, and in terms of transporting on public transportation. You’re going to have to have a gun case to unload, etc. if you’re going to be riding the bus or the train. That’s still been enjoyed. You can still, you going into. However, interestingly, they found that the $200 fee that was $50 portion that goes to the State was unlawful. Unlawful because it was to the VCCB, which is the Victims Crime Compensation Board. Under case law, you cannot have a fee for a licensing not go to an actual regulatory activity. That is the purpose of the fee. That has been
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knocked out. So, now the price for the New Jersey Carry Permit is $150, and if you live in any of those towns that are refunding it, such as Englishtown, which was one of the first started, we’re seeing refunding their $150. So, you can actually get the Carry Permit in New Jersey for free. And the fight continues. This is just one step that we go along challenging the Second Amendment oppressionists legislation that they lay upon, that they lay upon us. And the Association is at the forefront. They are the spearhead. They are fighting for your rights. Make sure you are a member anjrpc.org. That is anjrpc.org.

Teddy Nappen 18:21
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Teddy Nappen 19:45
And with that Press Checks. I don’t know if you guys have been seeing this online, and I just thought it was hilarious. I think we need a bit of levity. The Democrat nominee known as Mikie Sherrill, I love this, went on a podcast interview. (https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/virginia-native-mikie-sherrill-says- nobody-likes-gross-pork-roll-in-new-jersey/) They were doing a fluff piece about New Jersey. Just a highlight. She’s Virginia-born Congresswoman Mikie Sherrill, and she goes on there. And then, of course, New Jersey asks the question, hey, Taylor ham or pork roll? So, she says, Taylor ham. First of all, she just violated federal law by calling it Taylor ham. It’s not Taylor ham. It’s pork roll. That was our most popular episode here on Gun Lawyer. But what she added, followed up with, that is hilarious. She went and said, who eats pork roll? Not me. I think that’s gross. I don’t even know what it is.

Teddy Nappen 20:40
Oh, my God. You are running for the New Jersey Governor. I mean, it’s the state sandwich. It’s pork roll. The disconnect on this woman to say that I don’t like pork roll. Pork roll is gross. Just how tone deaf do you have to be? I mean, no wonder it’s so close where it’s 43/43. Like that would knock a good chunk of people out of there. She doesn’t even know what it is. You know what it is. It is the taste of freedom, the last bit of freedom that is in New Jersey when you bite into a pork roll, egg and cheese on a hard roll. That sandwich with just a little bit of ketchup. Gotta add the ketchup. Just adds to the flavor. You’ve got to do it. That sandwich is very symbol and hope that is in New Jersey. And she says, oh, it’s gross. And of course, her opponent, Jack Ciattarelli, jumped on it. Where he says, I do. And holding, sure enough, the pork roll, egg and cheese on a hard roll. I didn’t see the ketchup, though, but I won’t hold that against him. He says, you can call it Taylor ham or pork roll. Look, I won’t hold it against him. He should just call it pork roll. But I tell you this right now, if he’s listening, if your campaign is listening to this, here’s your ad. “Mikie doesn’t like it.” Just bumper stickers up and down. Mikie doesn’t like it, and show a picture of a pork roll. That is an effective advertisement. You know, Trump had “Kamala’s for
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they/them, I’m for you.” Mikie doesn’t like it. Just put that everywhere, and that will win you the day. What are the ultimate like political befuddles? How can you say pork roll is gross when you’re running for the governorship of New Jersey?

Teddy Nappen 22:40
So, we will end with the GOFU, which is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. This is something I’m highlighting as more of a practical rule, count your bullets. What do I mean by that? Whenever you have to take out your firearm and unload, when you’re D gunning, or if you’re traveling, I highly recommend having one of those ammo cases. So, you can check your ammunition and see the count. Because we’ve had too many people where they go to the range or go somewhere and they have loose ammunition that they didn’t know fell out of their mag, which happens. It happens sometimes. And then, you know, he’s pulling up to a school, and the loose round falls out the car. It just creates a whole issue right there, and you’re setting yourself up for the landmine that is New Jersey. Count your bullets, and always check your mags. Make sure you have an accurate count. Okay? That is something that you need to do. Because if you’re not accurate, loose ammunition, bullets fall out, randomly found in pockets, found in suitcases when you go into the airport. Count your ammunition. And with that, this is Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals honest citizens.

Speaker 2 24:07
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