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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Second Amendment, trans shooter, New Jersey gun laws, mental health, transgender patients, psychiatric drugs, mass shootings, red flag laws, gun rights, gun control, Saturday Night Special, gun ownership, self-defense, gun laws, gun rights oppression.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen

EvanNappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen,

EvanNappen 00:19
and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, I’m sure you’ve been watching the news as they talk about the trans shooter in Minnesota. It’s getting all kinds of publicity. And it is, of course, a chance for the Second Amendment rights oppressors to do a blood dance and to demand further infringements on our Second Amendment rights. As the old saying goes, let no tragedy go to waste. This is, of course, their standard MO. However, interestingly.

Teddy Nappen 01:07
Where now the mayor doesn’t even want us to even mention the trans. Don’t focus on that. Only focus on the inanimate object.

EvanNappen 01:16
Only on the gun. Yeah, not anything to do with motivation or the actual person. And so what I found interesting here, and it really is interesting, and something that you may not have seen this or heard this point made before, is, look, I’m hardly a fan of New Jersey’s gun rights suppression laws, and that’s probably an understatement, but one thing that I don’t think the left, in their zest to take away rights, realizes that New Jersey actually has gun laws that dramatically remove trans from being able to possess firearms. Now, of course, New Jersey doesn’t want to emphasize this, and this whole issue of trans and guns and mass shooting gets totally politicized.

EvanNappen 02:16
So, if you google this, you’ll get all this Google stuff about, oh no, no, no, you can’t, that’s not a legitimate link. And there was only, you know, they tried to limit. Only a half a dozen of the mass shootings were done by trans, you know, or something, as opposed to so-called CIS males and all this crap. Well, let’s just step aside from the debate about whether the trans issue is an issue or not, and

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instead, take an interesting look at what New Jersey does to ban trans from having guns. You may not have realized that New Jersey gun laws do this, but I want to explain to you exactly how they do it. And if the left is so hot on dispelling the myth of trans being mass shooters or having anything to do with that one, of course, they just want to blame the gun. Well, let’s take a look at how New Jersey operates in creating the trans gun ban.

EvanNappen 03:26
So, remember New Jersey in their regulation of firearms, particularly under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c., you find the criteria for which you can be prohibited from having a firearm. And when it comes to mental health- type questions, New Jersey says, have you ever been treated or observed by any doctor or psychiatrist? So, if that’s the case, you’re going to have to tell them, and then you’re going to have to get a doctor’s letter that you’re safe for firearms. And that’s hard to do because doctors don’t want that liability, and even if they believe 100% that you’re safe with guns, they don’t really want to put their ass on the line for you. So, that’s one hurdle. The other is whether you, and remember, this was just recently passed by Murphy, by the way, in the Carry Killer bill, whether you’ve had not just an involuntary mental health commitment, but even a voluntary mental health commitment. So, those are two mechanisms to disqualify an individual from being able to exercise their Second Amendment rights in New Jersey.

EvanNappen 04:40
And so, if we go to the NIH, the National Library of Medicine (NLM), they have a very interesting article called “Mental Health Diagnoses Among Transgender Patients In Clinical Setting: An All-Payer Electronic Health Record Study”. (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6830528/) That’s the name of this article. And remember, this article was not done with any focus regarding firearms. Instead, this article is written to try to point out just how much mental health problems transgender patients suffer in statistically significant increase in prevalence for all psychiatric diagnoses. Let’s take a look at just how much psychological problem exists in transgender versus what is the control population, not including the transgender. So, listen to this. Number one, approximately 58% of transgender patients had at least one DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical of Mental Disorders – Fifth Edition) diagnosis compared with 13.6 of cisgender patients. And of course, cisgender is what? What? In the old days, you may have called normal people, right? But not anymore. No, that’s cisgender, you see. So, hey, but whatever you want to call it, look at the difference in just those numbers.

EvanNappen 06:28
And if you go down the specific disorders, it’s really pretty fascinating in terms of percent. So, for mood disorders, transgender is 46% compared to the control population, you know, the non-transgender of 9%. Staggering difference in mood disorder. How about major depressive disorder? Well, that’s 31% to 4.8. Bipolar disorder is 11% versus 1.3%. Anxiety disorder, 31% versus 6%. Then panic disorder is 4.4% for trans versus .74%. Phobic disorders. Oh, man, look at this one. So, we’ve got social phobia with 2.1% versus .06% for the general population. How about post-traumatic stress disorder? That’s 6.7 vs. 2.52 percent. How about schizophrenia? That’s 2.5% versus .37%. Schizoaffective disorder? Two point two, 2.2 for trans versus .16 for general. I mean, it just goes on and on of every psychological where trans is far outnumbered. They just completely blow away the statistics to the control group.

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EvanNappen 08:21
So, what does this mean? This means that trans that suffer from these incredibly statistically greater psychological issues have, in fact, then had what? Ever been treated or observed for any mental condition? Seen any doctor about it? Therefore, there’s going to be a major difference in the number of trans that are going to get that “basis for denial” out of New Jersey. And what about just voluntary commitments because they’re suffering from this? So, when you actually look at the data, you find that New Jersey’s law will disproportionately, at least in terms of these stats, affect trans and I’m not and maybe they should. I don’t know. That you can debate. But the fact is, it does. It does, and that’s really interesting, because I don’t think the left had that as what their intent is.

EvanNappen 09:27
As a matter of fact, from an article here, from Not The Bee, the title is “Libs are triggered because RFK just weighed in on the gun debate with a comment about psych meds”.
(https:// notth ebee.c om/a rticle/cue -the -libs-bec ause- rfk-jr -just-weig hed -into-t he-g un-d ebat e-we- are- the- most-over-medicated-nation-in-the-world) And what RFK is pointing out that, you know, we’ve had guns in America like forever, as long as we’ve had America. But it’s only been recent times we’ve seen these mass random shootings. As he points out, what has changed is the over medication.

EvanNappen 10:02
And let me just quote RFK here. “I certainly consider mass shootings a health crisis, and we are doing, for the first time, real studies to find out what the etiology of that is. And we’re looking for the first time at psychiatric drugs. You know these kinds of mass shootings – people have had guns in this country forever. When I was a kid, we had shooting clubs in our school . . . there never has been a time in history of humanity when people walked into a crowd, church, movie theater, school and just started randomly shooting. It’s happening in our country. It’s not happening around the world. And there are many countries that have comparable levels of guns that have not that we have in this country. . . Something changed that dramatically changed human behavior and one of the culprits we need to examine is whether the fact that we are the most overmedicated nation in the world, and a lot of these psychiatric drugs that have the black box warning on them, those warnings of homicidal and suicidal ideation.” Boy, look at that, huh.

EvanNappen 11:16
Then you can follow it up even more from RFK, where he’s looking specifically at gender transition drugs. There are side effects to the gender transition drugs that contribute to these problems, and they’re looking at that. Imagine that. And of course, the Left wants nothing to do with this, but here quoting RFK. Some of the SSRI drugs and some other psychiatric drugs that might be contributing to violence, he added, referring to Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors that are used to treat depression. Again, he’s talking about the black box warning and focusing on the actual drug issue in our country. And what’s fascinating is New Jersey has actually structured its gun laws so that it creates the ban. So, if you really want to ever say, hey, New Jersey gun laws may actually have some effect, well, what it’s affecting is that.

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EvanNappen 12:26
And of course, you watch the liberal media just melt down if you ever try to blame transgender ideology for school shooting and not guns. But it’s not just ideology, because you can tie it, apparently, and this is where the research is going to the medications themselves and the people that have committed these violent acts, what I prefer to call atrocities and then tragedies. Do you realize that that Minneapolis shooter sought out gun free zone as a location for the attack? I’m reading from a Bearing Arms article by Cam Edwards. (https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2025/08/29/minneapolis-shooter- gun-free-zone-n1229760) Cam points out that the New York Post reporter was able to get to the shooter’s manifesto, a portion of it, on X. And from this post, it says that he liked that the school would not have counter shooters. It seems that the kind of school not to arm their teachers. You see they’re looking for that victim disarmament zone, and we see this come up with these shooters.

Teddy Nappen 13:49
So YouTube actually tried to suppress the manifesto because the shooter had uploaded it, a timed upload, and tried to delete it. I always love how the big tech agencies always sorry, big tech companies, always try to suppress the message. They always try to hide the manifestos of these shooters every single time.

EvanNappen 14:14
Uhm, if it doesn’t fit the narrative, Teddy.

Teddy Nappen 14:16
Unless it’s someone wearing a Trump hat, which over most of them are usually just for what we’ve seen of them, mostly, you know all, oh, a threat to democracy.

EvanNappen 14:26
From the Left, the violent Left. The Left is the violent ones. They’re where the real violence stems from. And we see that over and over again. So, you know, they need to look deeper than the norm, which is always just “blame the gun”. They just want to use it as an excuse to take away our guns.

Teddy Nappen 14:46
Something pretty funny. If this would be an Avenue, you know, how they we are always trying to fight ICE and try to eliminate Red Flag laws and try to eliminate disqualifiers.

EvanNappen 14:51 Oh, Yeah.

Teddy Nappen 15:00
I would love to see a challenge with the Association, also sponsored by the Trevor Project, knocking out the Red Flag laws because it’s transphobic. That would be great.

EvanNappen 15:12
Well, the thing is, the red flag laws in New Jersey, called ERPOs (Extreme Risk Protection Orders) and TERPOs (Temporary Extreme Risk Protection Orders) could easily be applied to going after trans to

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disarm them, when this amount of psychological problems exist. It’s so easy to do Red Flag in New Jersey, where we see folks getting swatted under this. And this really opens up for the trans issue itself to become a subject of Red Flag easily. What is New Jersey TERPO? It’s actually waiting out there. And I’m sure we’ll see that occur more and more. On one hand, they want to call for Red Flag laws, but I don’t think they’ll have realized that it can become a tool used to go at trans, particularly over their extremely high psychological problems compared to the general population. So, it opens the door for that, and it’s really something.

Teddy Nappen 16:19
Honestly, and this is the sad part. I could see them carving out an exception if you’re trans that Red Flag and the blocks don’t apply. If they do that, it’d be the one time they do a pro gun thing.

EvanNappen 16:35
Of course, they can carve that out because they’ve already done similar Left wing issue carve outs. I’ll give you a good example. If you are a fugitive from justice, you are prohibited from getting a gun in New Jersey — unless you’re a fugitive from justice because you got an illegal abortion done. Then New Jersey is fine with you getting a gun. They exempt those that got illegal abortions or helped to provide illegal abortions or helped individuals to get illegal abortions. That’s exempt. That’s an exception to New Jersey’s fugitive from justice. You know, a fugitive, when you’re under criminal charges or indictment, that’s an exception for New Jersey. So, yeah, Teddy, you’re right. I could easily see them creating exemption for the factions that they want to support and not have it applied evenly across the board.

Teddy Nappen 17:37
Quite frankly, and this is the sad part. Here are the two key things. Number one, identify as trans. There’s a 42% suicide rate before or after affirmation. It does not change. The stats stay the same.

EvanNappen 17:54
And that’s a very sad fact that there is that mental health issue that makes them prone to suicide, and that really needs to be addressed. And yet, suicide is one of the issues that the gun rights oppression folks always try to use. But, again, it’s going to have the disproportionate effect on stopping the exercise of gun rights by individuals such as trans. But then again, some say, well, we are saving lives, arguably, and that’s what they want to do. Then having that prohibition is something they want to see. But you’re pointing out a very valid statistic just in terms of trans themselves having that increased risk of suicide.

Teddy Nappen 18:44
Yeah, and it kind of comes back to the idea of they’re being sold a false bill of goods. And when it and when reality sets in, that’s when that statistic comes into play. And it’s quite disgusting. They trick these individuals thinking, oh yeah, you have all these mental health problems, just become a woman and that solves all of it.

EvanNappen 19:09
And then it doesn’t, and they get very frustrated. The medications apparently help them along to these other ideations. So, I’m glad they’re taking a good hard look at it and seeing because if it’s not

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something that is actually good for people, instead, if it was something that was just sold for other consumption reasons, maybe medical money-making reasons, or those kind of things, then it needs to be looked at, right?

Teddy Nappen 19:42
It’s actually proven for money-making reasons. I believe it was in Tennessee. There was the hospital where they actually had a public forum and open log video that broke it down and said how much money they could make from not only the repeated surgeries for trans individuals, but the massive amount from the drugs that are used.

EvanNappen 20:07 Oh, yeah, of course.

Teddy Nappen 20:08
By the way, there are multiple surgeries that you have to get because you can’t just. It’s not one and done. You’re chopped. They go in multiple times, and that becomes very expensive.

EvanNappen 20:18
So it’s a very lucrative area of practice, huh?

Teddy Nappen 20:23 Yeah, well, you know.

EvanNappen 20:25
Well, here’s something on a little bit of a more fun subject. I don’t know if any of you ever read the Babylon Bee, which is a parody website. They do fun parody articles and a lot of good satire and humor there, at least I think so. Anyway, one of their satire articles recently caught my eye, and I wanted to share it with you, Teddy, and our listeners. The headline of the Babylon Bee article is, “New ‘Clue’ Board Game for Liberals Just Has You Blame The Murder Weapon”. (https://babylonbee.com/news/new-clue-board-game-for-liberals-just-has-you-blame-the-murder- weapon) So, this is really great. They say here, this is from the article. Hasbro Gaming has announced it’s expanding its board game library with a brand new version of ‘Clue’ where you blame the murder weapon and never solve any crimes. Clue, the Liberal Edition was being called the most interesting update in years to the popular game.

EvanNappen 21:26
Then it goes on to make it clear. It says, Bobby, a cisgender white health insurer CEO and compete to be the first one to blame the murder weapon? Where was Mr. Body murdered? With what weapon? Was it justified? These answers must be answered before a Liberal can safely close the case and save the world. Mr. Bobby was killed with a gun. We need common sense gun laws, a happy looking non- binary person said in an excited TV spot advertising the product. So, the Liberal Edition of ‘Clue’ makes it clear when it says here, when asked who the perpetrator of the murder was, clue, the Liberal Edition’s designer, Adrian Rance, responded, perpetrator? Those don’t exist. The weapons and only the

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weapons are to blame. So, there you go. That’s the new version, the Liberal version of ‘Clue’, where you simply blame the weapon. That’s pretty clever. So, there you go.

Teddy Nappen 22:40 Candle stick control.

EvanNappen 22:43
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EvanNappen 24:16
Let’s also mention our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, ANJRPC. They are the premier gun rights protection organization in New Jersey. They’re an umbrella organization of gun clubs. But you can be an individual member, and you should become one. Because as an individual member, you’ll be sent the emails alerting to all the shenanigans going on in Trenton and be able to take steps to protect our rights. They’re the ones actively involved in litigating in federal court, challenging these gun rights oppression laws that we’re constantly being hit with. They also are on guard in Trenton with a full-time paid lobbyist. They are the group so you can help fight for our rights in New Jersey. And people say, oh, Evan, what can I do? What can I do? And I say, listen, one thing you can absolutely do is join the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. And I’m not saying don’t join any other gun group. Join them all, but make sure you’re a member of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They’re the NRA affiliate. They’re the largest of all the state gun rights groups, and they put out a fantastic newsletter. You really need to be a member to stand tall with your brothers and sisters in the movement. Go to anjrpc.org and join today.

EvanNappen 25:52
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and make sure you join my free, 100% free, subscriber private database where I send out emails of updates and other news bits. So, make sure you do that, and you’ll be able to immediately go to the archives and download the 2025 Comprehensive Update, which has full updates on chapters and a standalone chapter on “sensitive places” — where you can and can’t carry. Go to EvanNappen.com, EvanNappen.com. That’s my name and add the .com. You’ll see the big orange book right there, and you can order your copy today. So, Teddy, what do you have to share with us on Press Checks?

Teddy Nappen 27:41
Well, as you know, Press Checks are always free. One thing I’ve kind of moved around with this whole segment is that I want to show everyone that way to look at the anti gun agenda and how to counteract and kind of understand it. Look to history. And I sit down and I ask myself, what is the thing being said? You know, we just had another mass shooting from another trans individual. And of course, they don’t want to talk about the person. What do they always say? Oh, we’ve got to stop the high capacity magazine. We’ve got to ban assault firearms. One ban that also comes up that I have heard is, oh, we’ve got to limit the amount of purchases of handguns. And I was curious? Who sparked that idea? Who was the first, and what was the origins and purpose of that idea? And kind of wanting to explore and pull research, I actually found the original article in the New York Times from 1975. “Curbs on Purchase of Pistols Enacted by South Carolina”. (https://www.nytimes.com/1975/06/18/archives/curbs- on-purchase-of-pistols-enacted-by-south-carolina.html) They were the first state to curb purchases of pistols. It was enacted by South Carolina Governor James Edwards. He signed into law legislation to prohibit the sale of more than one pistol to any person in a period of 30 days. Limit purchases of pistols.

EvanNappen 29:11
Can you believe that it was a southern state that did that?

Teddy Nappen 29:15
Southern Democrats. What do you expect?

EvanNappen 29:17 There you go. You nailed it.

Teddy Nappen 29:18
Every time. But he also signed the companion measure. This raised the legal standard for handguns and action directed against cheaply made weapons, all calibers, known as Saturday Night Specials. So, the Left’s entire argument about we’ve got to stop these mass shooters. We need to limit purchases. It goes back to it was a way to curb Saturday Night Specials, which here we are again. We were just talking about the mass suicide rate of trans individuals. Here they are right now, arguing it once more. It always goes back to trying to stop the myth that is the Saturday Night Special.

EvanNappen 29:59
Well, let me tell you. You know, the history of Saturday Night Special, which doesn’t surprise me that they’re talking that language in the south goes directly to racism. And it’s a fact. Bruce-Briggs, in the article that he wrote in the public interest, pointed out that the Saturday Night Special comes from the original term of what was the N-word Saturday Night, and that Saturday night, the N word Saturday

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night, or N word town Saturday night. That was known as the special in racist terms. (https://www.nationalaffairs.com/public_interest/detail/the-great-american-gun-war) So, the gun from that became known as Saturday Night Special. It has its roots in racism. So, the South was focused on so-called Saturday Night Specials because it was a less expensive handgun that poor, you know, less economically advantaged folks could purchase to actually defend themselves. And so, it’s rooted in racism.

EvanNappen 31:15
This was the only ever. Get the book by Robert Sherrill. Sherrill wrote a book ‘The Saturday Night Special”. (Penguin Books, 1975) Sherrill was an anti-gun rights oppressionists, basically, but it doesn’t matter. Because he points out in the book “The Saturday Night Special” that the ’68 Gun Control Act was essentially not passed to control guns, but passed to control blacks. This was their pursuit. The pursuit was, how can we, and this is literally from the book, “disarm those people”. How do we stop “those people” from getting guns? And through the ’60s, with the rise of black power and all that, they became more and more afraid. Hence, we saw the growth of, the explosion, essentially, in racist gun laws and the underpinning to the gun rights oppression tied to race.

EvanNappen 32:20
And that’s still taking place today in New Jersey, as the statistics show on who’s getting denied permits. Blacks get denied more than two to one to whites, strictly under, by the way, what I call the all-inclusive, miscellaneous weasel clause, which is “public health, safety, and welfare”. Where you get subjective denials that routinely disproportionately deny blacks. So, racism is still institutionalized throughout the gun laws, Teddy, and you’re talking now about yet another attempt by one gun a month, selling it in the same way.

Teddy Nappen 33:03
It’s very funny. Five states that currently have the one gun-a-month style of law, the big one, California, Connecticut, Maryland, and oh, of course. New Jersey, again, and Virginia. Funny enough, South Carolina removed it. So.

EvanNappen 33:22 Right! Exactly.

Teddy Nappen 33:23
The very people that sparked this idea, this very racist law, got rid of it, showing very well how racist it is. But, of course, the anti-gunners. But this is the crux, and we’ve got to remember this. New York City also has one. They have an ordinance limiting the number of handgun purchases to one per month. So, oh, again, always look out.

EvanNappen 33:49
They may even have a possession limit to two, like, generally. I’m not a New York attorney, but I think that New York City limits even the number of guns you can have.

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Teddy Nappen 33:59
What they have is city limits on all firearm purchases.

EvanNappen 34:02 Maybe they got rid of that.

Teddy Nappen 34:03
One handgun and one rifle or shotgun every 90 days. They limit to one gun, not just a handgun. And

EvanNappen 34:11 Y eah.

Teddy Nappen 34:12
It shows the level they’re willing to go to, and that is always something you’ve got to watch out for. Especially like if locals that they state doesn’t have, what is it, gun rights? Where they stop the locals passing.

EvanNappen 34:28
Oh, yeah, that’s statewide preemption. Preemption. The state law becomes controlling, and towns can’t make their own laws. So, you don’t get a patchwork quilt of gun laws through the state. The state has one law that controls the whole subject matter. Yeah.

Teddy Nappen 34:48
This also came from Gifford. (https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/crime-guns/bulk-gun- purchases/) So, they’re promoting, of course, racist laws.

EvanNappen 34:52 Of course!

Teddy Nappen 34:53
Racist laws. What do you expect?

EvanNappen 34:57
Well, it’s all part of their blood dance. Anytime they get the opportunity. So, well, Teddy, I appreciate your bringing up one gun a month, and it’s interesting history. Now I want to go to one of the more popular of our discussion segments, which is the GOFU, which is, of course, the Gun Owner Fuck Up. We look at cases and such where gun owners have made errors or could have done better, or things they need to be aware of. And this one is something I recently came across from TAG, which is Truth About Guns, another great resource for great gun information. This is Scott Witner. He points this out in his article, “When Owning an AK-47 Becomes a Courtroom Liability”. (https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/when-owning-an-ak-47-becomes-a-courtroom-liability/) And this is very interesting. It’s things you do need to consider.

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EvanNappen 35:54
He talks about how, in this Texas case, where in Texas, a mock jury study identify identical self- defense scenarios. In other words, they had mock juries and they had identical self-defense scenarios. The only difference is that there were drastically different verdicts, depending on whether the defendant used a shotgun, a Mini-14, or an AR 15. Again, there’s an argument here that AK-47 is carrying even greater stigma. So, what happens is juries get influenced by the type of firearm used. Not just even whether you put some crazy name on your gun, like Death Slayer 2000 or something like that, which is really a dumb move. But the fact as to what the gun is. Look, it’s not every time, but you know, if you say, as he points out in the article, if they say AR-15, and jurors may think of Kyle Rittenhouse, or say AK-47 and images conjured is Osama bin Laden, etc.

EvanNappen 37:16
And so, he points out in the article, in a case study of State versus Ndolo, NDOLO. In this Arizona case, the defendant fired warning shots from a .22 rifle during a dispute with movers. Police later searched his home and found a loaded AK-47 that played no role in this thing, nothing. They just found the AK as well. The prosecutors in the case presented the AK showing that Ndolo was predisposed to violence. Imagine that argument. You’re predisposed to violence because you have an AK, and the judge allowed it. The jury convicted him of aggravated assault and sentenced him to seven years. And even though the Appellate Court later agreed that the AK should have been excluded as irrelevant, they still upheld the conviction, calling it “harmless error”. Are you kidding me? Do you think the jury wasn’t influenced by prejudicial presentation that they happen to also own an AK-47 that had nothing to do with the case?

EvanNappen 38:44
And this article is a very good article here. It points out other examples, too. Anderson versus State (Georgia), where a defendant tried to claim self-defense by pointing an AK-47 and the court excluded it, ruling that the gun had no direct connection and it would confuse the jury. And then in Davis versus Carter, prosecutors introduced evidence that the defendant owned an AK-47, six months prior to the shooting. Even though it was unrelated, the jury heard it anyway, painting them as, “a dangerous type”. So, you know the type of gun matters. You better keep this in mind, even in terms of firearms that you own. And if you’re ever in a self- defense situation, you better make sure that your lawyer really, really fights hard to keep out any of these other guns so that juries, who don’t understand firearms, will not become prejudiced over just the type of gun you owned, and even worse, the type that you used. So, honestly, beware of it and don’t be a GOFU.

Teddy Nappen 39:54
Actually, it kind of reminds of that judge who swept you with AR.

EvanNappen 40:04
Oh god, yeah. They have no clue how to do gun handling. So.

Teddy Nappen 40:08
Because he did not know that. He’s like, this is an assault firearm, and he waved it in front of you.

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EvanNappen 40:15
I’m like, I know. Just yeah. The danger is the ignorance that runs through the gun rights oppressionists and suppressionists that just keep pushing the lies and the ignorance. But what can you do? We got to stay on our path of education, which is the reason for this show. Hey, this is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

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Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state.

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Downloadable PDF TranscriptGun Lawyer S3 E253_Transcript About The HostEvan Nappen, Esq.

Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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