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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Gun rights, reconciliation bill, National Firearms Act, silencers, SBRs, SBSs, Senate parliamentarian, Elizabeth McDonough, Senator Cornyn, Senator Thune, JD Vance, Second Amendment, knife laws, Supreme Court, nationwide injunctions.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:17 and I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:18
and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, the gun rights oppressors are out in full force, and they’re setting us back. It’s a couple steps forward, and then a couple steps back. The battle rages. So, we had gotten into the reconciliation bill, the repeal on the National Firearms Act (NFA) of the, we’ll just call it ban, for lack of a better word, ban on silencers and the ban on SBRs (Short Barrel Rifles) and SBSs (Shot Barrel Shotguns) and AOWs (Any Other Weapons). The repeal was in the bill, but as a reconciliation bill, it only requires a simple majority in which we could avoid cloture, avoid filibuster. You know, that’s where the Democrats who aren’t in power invoke that so that 60 votes is needed in order to get something passed. In this way, the Democrat gun rights oppressors can still stop us from regaining our liberty. And so by putting it in a reconciliation bill, it was excellent, because we could avoid that.

Evan Nappen 01:38
And reconciliation, though, is limited to tax matters. But the beauty of it is that the NFA is a tax law. The National Firearms Act was enacted based on the power of taxation. Yet, every reconciliation bill has to be evaluated by the Senate Parliamentarian, whose name is Elizabeth MacDonough. She is a Democrat who’s been there for well over a decade. And why they don’t can her ass, I have no idea. But she took the party line, and in doing what they call the “Byrd Bath” from Senator Byrd, she ripped out of the reconciliation bill the pro-Second Amendment rights language of the bill. So, that is really a shame. Now it’s not over yet, but we were on a fast track here to get liberty on those issues restored. But now, thanks to Democrats, again, we’re back where we were.

Evan Nappen 02:55
So, at this point, what we’re hoping to see is a couple things. Number one is Senator (John) Cornyn has stated that he’s confident the bill can be amended to eliminate the NFA tax on suppressors, SBRs and all that. But just eliminating the tax may or may not eliminate the registration and that’s the onerous

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part of the infliction on our Second Amendment rights. It’s not just about paying 200 bucks. It’s about the Government regulating, to the degree of discouragement, the acquisition of these items. So, I don’t know if Senator Cornyn’s plan will get us to the goal of the nullification, if you will, of these NFA provisions.

Evan Nappen 03:56
The other attempt, is to get either Senator (John) Thune, who’s of course, the head of the Senate, or better yet, J.D. Vance, to override the ruling by the partisan parliamentarian. But that is somewhat more of a long shot and most likely not going to happen, because the Senate is afraid that if we do that now, that later, if power shifts in the Houses, the Democrats will try to ram through more anti-liberty, more to anti-gun, more anti-rights, more of their progressive insanity agenda, not just on guns and that the Parliamentarian’s ruling needs to be respected. Now, of course, it was always funny is the Republicans, you know, try to enforce and play by these rules, until the Democrats “f” them later, where they don’t play by these rules. So, to worry about the future with this is stupid, because if the Democrats do gain power, they’ll be the ones to actually not follow a Parliamentarian’s recommendations.

Evan Nappen 05:23
We’ve seen them do this in the past. Because cloture, originally, you know that rule, that filibuster rule, applied universally, and it was the Democrats that changed it for judges and changed it for tax things so they could move their agenda. And, you know, when it suits them, they’re happy with it. But Republicans don’t seem to have the balls to do what’s right. And by the way, we have three and a half or more years with President Trump, and he’s turning the country around. So, to be worrying about our potential loss of power down the road is just ridiculous to make that the consideration when it comes to restoring our Second Amendment rights. But yet, here we are.

Evan Nappen 06:13
So, the fight is on, and I would highly recommend that you join the fight. That you join the NRA (National Rifle Association) and GOA (Gun Owners of America) and FPC (Firearm Policy Coalition). I’m a member of every organization I can join, and you should as well. This fight is ongoing. Now, of course, if it is cut out of this bill, if it is cut out of this, it doesn’t mean we can’t try to bring it again later. But then, with the 60 vote majority required, the anti-2A oppressors will have a much better shot at stopping important pro-Second Amendment rights laws from passing. As they always do, they oppose them. So, that’s where we’re looking at. That’s the playing field at the moment. We’ll see what happens. Maybe we can pull a rabbit out of a hat here, and we can still see a victory.

Teddy Nappen 07:15
I would ask just because I’m going to be completely honest, I’ve never heard of what is a Parliamentarian. I’ve never even heard of that job title. Because it seems like, for the fact that it just screwed us out of one of the most pro-gun legislations humanly possible. I mean, I would have put this right after Secretary of State, then, like it’s, if it’s that powerful.

Evan Nappen 07:39
Well, the Parliamentarian is for the Senate, not for the House. And the Parliamentarian’s job, if you will, is to look at a reconciliation bill and remove anything out of it that’s not related to taxation. It’s not part of

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taxes. But here’s where the Parliamentarian is flat out wrong. The NFA is a tax. It is what empowered it. It is the reason for the Miller decision in the 1930s that upheld the NFA. (United States v. Miller, 307 (1939)) The Government said they have the power to tax, and therefore they could tax these items, and that’s how we got a federal gun law. To now say that it’s not a tax flies in the very face of how we’ve suffered under this because it is a tax. So, this is a partisan move by the Parliamentarian. The Senate should appoint their own new Parliamentarian and not deal with a Parliamentarian that is a Democrat that they’ve left in place for over a decade. It’s an absurdity. Then we’d be able to see these things pass. So, the game is afoot, and we’ll see what happens with that.

Evan Nappen 08:52
I would like to point out at least something positive, and that is that the State of Delaware has passed a repeal of their switchblade law. (https://kniferights.org/legislative-update/delaware-switchblade-ban- repeal-knife-law-reform-passes/) It’s actually passed both houses now. It hasn’t been signed into law yet, but we’re hopeful that it will be. It would make Delaware join in the Knife Liberty Movement that I helped to start back in 2010 in New Hampshire. It’s been ongoing. Of course, New Jersey will probably be the last hold out. You know, New Jersey and California, of course. But, even California has automatic knives legal if they’re lower than two inches. But New Jersey is still, of course, stubborn on these things. But every state that we get repealing and eliminating their knife laws makes for a better argument for repealing the Federal Switchblade Act. So, this is really good work by my good friend Todd Rathner, who’s lobbyist for Knife Rights.

Evan Nappen 09:55
And, as you may have heard, Vermont just recently repealed their ban on switchblade knives. So, we keep knocking it out of the park, state by state, on gaining liberty. Because remember, it is the right to keep and bear arms. It’s not the right to keep and bear guns. It’s the right to keep and bear arms, and knives are arms. So, I’m happy to see that progress is being made on that front for the Second Amendment.

Evan Nappen 10:25
Additionally, you may have heard about the big win in the (United States) Supreme Court, where the law fair was being conducted against President Trump’s agenda. They were cherry picking and forum shopping activist judges who were implementing nationwide injunctions over the President’s attempts to govern the country. These little fiefdoms of judges think they’re the President by their unelected positions of being a judge. This has finally been laid to rest in a six to three decision by the Supreme Court that nationwide injunctions are not constitutional and they’re not part of the empowerment of the court. So that is good.

Evan Nappen 11:14
Now some folks you may hear that and say, well, what about when we challenge our gun rights? What about that? What about when we want national injunction there? Well, if you look at the federal actions that have taken place over the recent time, it ends up that when we move for our injunctive relief, it’s not actually nationwide injunctive relief. It is strictly based on just one person and not making a ruling that somehow magically applies to everywhere else in America. It’s been focused primarily on plaintiffs that come in as member organizations. So, if you remember what occurred with pistol braces, for

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example. If you were a member of Gun Owners of America, you were covered by the protection of the injunction. If you’re a member of NRA, they joined it. If you’re a member of certain gun rights groups that became plaintiffs, then their membership got covered. So, even that wasn’t nationwide as just a rule put forward by a lone judge. It was based on the party that was suing and in that case covering memberships.

Evan Nappen 12:28
The other thing is, there still is an availability of class actions. And some of the Democrats are saying, well, that’s what we’re going to do. But class actions are not as easy as bringing these nationwide injunctions where they could cherry pick their judge and get it just to issue with class actions. There’s a lot more to it, and you’ve got to certify the class and all these other things. So, it’ll be a much greater burden for them to even try to do it. It’s definitely a win, but I’m not worried about that win when it comes to protecting our gun rights. We always seem to have these battles that go on and often even when we get injunctions, such as in the New Jersey carry killer case, the appeals court stayed our injunctions so that we’re put in a waiting period anyway. That’s much less likely with these Democrat, you know, suppression issues, where they are suppressing and oppressing the President and his agenda to make America great again, and abusing their power with the last vestige of lawfare and influence that they have in a government that is no longer controlled by Democrats, where the President has been rooting out the Deep State, where the President has been cutting funding to these agencies that were funding the ultra left programs, from protesters down to the lawfare itself. So, we’re making tremendous progress. Elections have consequences, and the Democrats are trying to stop those excellent consequences from occurring. They’ve taken a great punch to their face with this most recent ruling. However.

Teddy Nappen 14:24
I will say from the ruling that I give Justice Amy Coney Barrett, Justice Barrett, credit. You know, there’s been some back and forth on her support, on her supporting Trump, on stuff. But this one, she pulled the Scalise, just like actually, blatantly insulted.

Evan Nappen 14:45 Scalia.

Teddy Nappen 14:45
Jacks. Scalia, oh yeah. Well, yeah, she.

Evan Nappen 14:48
She nuked her, that’s for sure.

Teddy Nappen 14:50 Yeah, it was.

Evan Nappen 14:51
She was calling out her stupidity.

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Teddy Nappen 14:54
It was. We will not dwell on Justice Jackson’s argument, which is at odds with more than two centuries worth of precedent.

Evan Nappen 15:02
Other than that, it was brilliant.

Teddy Nappen 15:05
We observe only this. Justice Jackson decries an imperial executive while embracing an imperial judiciary. Oh, my God.

Evan Nappen 15:16
Beautifully said. Yeah, good pick for Amy Coney Barrett, yeah. Well, this is the thing. So, at least things are lining up way better to make America the greatest, strongest, best country after four years of suffering under the senile sock puppet. So, now, however, back at home, we have serious problems, and our serious problems are the New Jersey Senate Democrats. They’re pushing as well as with the House that has already pushed this package of atrocious bills. I’ve discussed them in detail, but let me just give you a quick review, because you need to contact your Senate members and tell them to oppose all the new gun bills. They’re trying to fast track it and get it passed. This is terrible. They’re attacking our rights, and the oppression is in full bore, full bloom, and is amazingly serious with the things they’re trying to do. They are trying to incarcerate all of us and turn us into criminals. And that’s not an exaggeration.

Evan Nappen 16:22
So, let me just review with you the list of bills and give you some summaries of the evil that the other side is trying to get passed in New Jersey. One is S3894. Now that bill creates a crime for a simple possession of digital instructions to illegally manufacture firearms or components. It makes it a crime. Even if you never make a gun or component, simply having the digital file on your computer will and can result in a charge that is a high level felony charge against you. Then there’s S3895 that establishes a crime of reckless discharge. And what it does is it makes it a crime for anyone who discharges a firearm, even accidentally. Because unless the discharge is for a lawful purpose and accidents aren’t that, then and by the way, that’s just an affirmative defense. Even if you can claim it was a lawful purpose, such as in self-defense.

Evan Nappen 17:37
This is really bad, because the bill presents itself as being a disorderly person’s offense. You know, what New Jersey calls their misdemeanors. But don’t fall for that, because it’s not a misdemeanor. If it occurs within 100 feet of a dwelling, it is a felony, and as a felony, you’ll be charged accordingly. You can be disenfranchised and completely lose your gun rights, and you can go to State Prison for a commission of a felony. Not to mention that you’re going to be thrown to the Gulag, the Gun Owner Gulag, where we are going to have to fight just to get you out of jail pending your trial because of New Jersey’s elimination of bail, as we’ve discussed on the show. So, this is adding even more peril to every gun owner in New Jersey. Just imagine if every traffic accident, no matter how minor, you know, a fender bender you may have, that any party to a car accident is going to get charged with a crime.

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Imagine how many crimes would be charged on every single car accident. Well, an accident with a gun is the same as an accident with a car, an accident. It’s an accident. But they’re criminalizing accidents in New Jersey.

Evan Nappen 18:57
Then there’s S3896, and this bill is another attempt at criminalizing a lawful self-defense with a firearm. And this is what we’re calling the Gulag bill as well. They’re just hammering us to try to keep us incarcerated. It’s just as we reviewed in the last show. Then there’s S3706 which mandates the use of merchant category codes. So, anybody selling firearms and ammo will have to be coded so that the Government can track these sales and know who’s purchased what. Then there’s a big enhancement to the Gun Owner Gulag under S3900 and that bill allows imprisonment before trial for just an unlimited amount of time when someone is accused of any use or possession firearm offense. There is a forced recommendation of “no release” that must be made. And we discussed that one in detail. These bills are alive and well and heading toward becoming law in New Jersey.

Evan Nappen 20:26
Finally, there’s prohibition on devices that might convert a semi-auto to full-auto, and full-auto is already prohibited in New Jersey. This is unnecessary, but there you go, and it can cause even further jeopardy. They’re looking to incarcerate and criminalize every gun owner. This is a just a terrible situation getting worse and worse for New Jersey, and you have to be aware of this.

Evan Nappen 21:01
The Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs is fighting this. As a matter of fact, the bills that I just reviewed with you came from their alert. (https://www.anjrpc.org/page/KeepOpposingNJGunBillsNow) If you are a member of The Association New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, you would have received that alert. They have the buttons there for you to push so you can notify your legislators to fight it. They keep you aware of these legislative battles. It’s very important that you be a member of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs (https://www.anjrpc.org/) You’ll also be helping in our fight, in litigating the horrible gun laws in Jersey, from the carry killer bill to the assault firearm ban, to the large capacity magazine and others. Your Association, your state Association, is fighting hard on all fronts in a very, very difficult and tough environment known as the Democratic People’s Republic of New Jersey. They need your help. They need your support. You need to be a member. Go to https://www.anjrpc.org/.org and make sure you join today.

Evan Nappen 22:09
I also want to talk about our good friends at WeShoot, which is an indoor range in Lakewood. It’s the range that Teddy and I both shoot at and got our certifications at. You’ll love it at WeShoot. They are right there, conveniently off the Parkway in Lakewood. And this week, they have some pretty cool specials that I want to mention to you. They’re offering the OA 2311, which is a full size pro elite. It’s a 2011-style performance pistol built for speed, precision and dominance. I love those 2011-type setups. They’re really cool. I know you will, too. They also have a Mossberg 590R Breacher, and that’s a 12 gauge mag-fed shotgun with breacher-ready to blow through doors. It’s tactical, aggressive and built to handle whatever you throw at it. As a 590, it is a pump action. It is not an assault firearm in New Jersey. It is completely lawful to have a Mossberg 590. The Marlin 1895 SBL is a classic lever action which is

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made of stainless steel, and it fires a .45-70 cartridge. It’s very powerful, and I love the Marlin 1895 series. I’ve used mine, and so has Teddy. He used his to hunt bears. That’s the gun that saved my life when I was actually charged by a bear in the stand. So, I’m a big fan of the 1895 Marlin. That .45-70 cartridge packs a wallop, and you can get ammo from buffalo, boar and garret cartridges that are super hard cast. Just little freight trains that come out of that gun and that can basically take down anything on the planet. So, if you want a great gun that’s reliable, that’s solid, that’s super powerful. And just as an aside, it was the gun used in Jurassic Park. Teddy, who was carrying that 1895 gun in Jurassic Park? Who was that actor? You know.

Teddy Nappen 24:19
It was Chris Pratt, and that was Jurassic World.

Evan Nappen 24:23
There you go. My cinephile son, Teddy, who knows movies inside out. And I said, great. Do you know what? That is actually the best gun to use on dinosaurs, as well. So, I would highly recommend that if you feel threatened by dinosaurs, that Mr. Pratt there made an excellent choice as well. And you can pick up your dinosaur shooter at WeShoot. They have the Marlins there. Also, as just a little tip. If you check out the WeShoot website, you will see that they are featuring Sharol. She is one of the WeShoot girls, and she’s there posing with guns. And if you like to look at beautiful women and guns, then you will be quite satisfied going there and checking them out. weshootusa.com. Go to weshootusa.com for all your guns and training and range requirements. They are excellent, and I give them my highest recommendation.

Evan Nappen 25:30
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Teddy Nappen 26:39
Again, kind of talking about the anti-gun movement. They always seem to find any chance they get to just do a little bit of blood dance, even in their own. As coming from Bearing Arms, many people may know about the assassination in Minnesota of the state representative and the attempted assassination on the state senator, and I believe, also his wife, as I recall. (https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/06/24/author-stephen-king-spins-anti-gun-fiction-in- minnesota-assassination-n1229039) But one of the most infamous anti-gunners, known as Stephen

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King, decided to go on X and to post about calling Vance Boelter, the shooter, is clearly as nutty as a fruitcake. The real culprit is the gun he used.

Evan Nappen 27:02
Of course, it’s the gun. Oh, course. It’s not a maniac or a mentally deranged person or a criminal. It’s the gun. Oh, how simplistic.

Teddy Nappen 27:41
Yeah, I love his line in it. Stephen said, “Nuts are gonna do nutty, violent things, and guns are easily obtainable.” So, just to take a step back there. Nuts are gonna do nutty, violent things. Well, if that’s true, why are you blaming the firearm? If you know full well that evil people are always going to find ways of doing evil acts, yet you still blame the firearm. What’s the one line? You played yourself. But.

Evan Nappen 28:14
Actually, it’s more likely to blame stories that glorify maniac violence. That would probably have a little more influence, even, than a claim of guns. He should get out there and say, hey, my books are a problem. Tell me. I bet he had one, Teddy. What’s his famous book that you trace to just like every school shooting, too, or thereabouts. Like, what is it?

Teddy Nappen 28:42
Yes, well, just to establish it. Stephen King is an established anti-gunner. He’s donated to the Coalition for a Safer Maine, as from the CBS article. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-king-donates-to- maine-gun-control-coalition/) I love how he always has to say, I’m a gun owner, but I support gun control. He always says that he, like, just bought a pistol just to make say, have that like safeguard of saying, oh, I’m a gun owner. So, not only are you an elitist, but you’re also a hypocrite. But going from that is what you were leading to. For many of you, you may be familiar with Stephen King on many of his books, a lot of his horror, a lot of his movies. However, there is one book he has done his best to bury. That is the book known as “Rage”. This is from “the-line-up of banned Stephen King books. (https://the-line-up.com/banned-stephen-king-books) For those of you who may not be aware of “Rage”, he was so much ashamed of the book, he didn’t even use his name. He used a pen name – Richard Bachman.

Evan Nappen 29:38
Well, that’s why wasn’t he. That’s maybe one of the reasons he changed his name, his pen name, from Bachman.

Teddy Nappen 29:45
So, not only is he a coward, where he doesn’t even own up to the book. Though, the book is about this protagonist, known as Charlie Decker, a high school student who is reprimanded for his violent behavior. He is expelled, and then one thing leads to another. It leads a vivid portrayal of him going on a killing spree in the school.

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Evan Nappen 30:05
A school shooting. Shooting up a school. Oh, my, and this was before there was any rash of school shootings that he wrote this.

Teddy Nappen 30:16 Yes.

Evan Nappen 30:16
And how many school shooters have mentioned anything about that book being an influence on them? Any of them? Have anyone?

Teddy Nappen 30:24
Many, in fact. In fact, coming from Fox News, they actually cite to many of the school shooters. (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/why-stephen-kings-school-shooter-book-rage-is-out-of-print- and-a-copy-costs-500) It goes all the way back to 1997 in the Heath High School in Kentucky, where 14 year old Michael Carneal brought three guns to school and opened fire on a group of students. And sure enough, the police later discovered a copy of “Rage” in his locker. It was the fourth school gun violence incident traced to Stephen King’s now out of print book. In 1996, 14-year-old Barry Dale Loukaitis killed his Algebra teacher and tried to take hostages, allegedly claiming he was inspired by the book “Rage” and modeled his life.

Evan Nappen 30:47
He flat out admitted it. There you go.

Teddy Nappen 30:50
In 1989, seventeen year old Dustin Pierce took a classroom of 11 students hostage, and he was trying to recreate the plot of “Rage”. After a nine hour standoff, he surrendered. This is just one of many of inspirations. By the way.

Evan Nappen 31:24
This guy is not just a hypocrite. He’s one of the inspirations to the very shooters. It’s just outrageous.

Teddy Nappen 31:34
Yes, and also, it wasn’t until the Newtown shooting that he officially pulled the book. And then I love his whole argument. I love how he said, like, he leans on, I’m a First Amendment advocate. Oh, you’re an advocate of the Constitution. Why not be an advocate of the Second Amendment as well? And actually go after and call out evil behavior, doing evil acts.

Evan Nappen 31:57
Right. And then he might even be able to use that argument to say, look, I wrote a book. But there are nuts out there that try to make a horror fiction a reality. Just like there are nuts out there that use guns improperly. There are nuts out there that take on fiction of horror and make it into a false reality. Therefore, he could actually be consistent. But no, but no. He doesn’t do that.

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Teddy Nappen 32:29
Yeah, and I always love how well they try to float the argument where they try to, like, draw that violence away. Like, no, no, books and movies don’t inspire violence. Guns. Guns create violence. Really? So, you’re saying nutty people. Where do they get the ideas from?

Teddy Nappen 32:46
What was the one Stephen King book where it was the car running people over?

Evan Nappen 32:46
Well, Teddy, wait now. Just yesterday, I saw a gun all by itself, run out of into the road, and just shoot somebody. All by itself. These guns are out of control. Someone’s got to do something about them. Because they just go all around shooting people by themselves. I don’t know how they got programmed. It’s amazing.

Evan Nappen 33:11
Maybe that’s it. Maybe only in his books guns do that? Like Chris. What is Christine or Christie? Whatever. “Carrie”. Yeah, well.

Teddy Nappen 33:21
It was a Misery where he has that, too.

Evan Nappen 33:23
It was Misery. That was a different one that he did. You could ask James Khan about that one, right? But this is pretty crazy. But I guess if a gun is haunted and it’s a Stephen King haunted gun, that goes around shooting individuals, then number one, what he’s saying would be true. And number two, that would be the only ghost gun I would agree to ban. That haunted gun that goes around shooting individuals by themselves. That would be a true ghost gun that we should not have around. Because nothing’s worse than a gun independently going around shooting in Maine.

Teddy Nappen 34:03
I will say we did have the haunted gun collection case. So, that was always.

Evan Nappen 34:08
Well, that’s true. We did have that case, but they weren’t using the guns. The spirits were. They just, they were, yeah, that was crazy. That was one crazy case. Yeah, I hear you, man. Hey, I could do like a competition to Stephen King called “The Haunted Gun Collection” and write a whole thing about how that works, right? It could really expand on that theme, Teddy.

Teddy Nappen 34:31
Also, if anyone is a collector of banned books, a copy of “Rage” does go for $500. So, if you want to find one.

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Evan Nappen 34:39
Well, if you’re at flea markets, look for Richard Bachman’s “Rage”. But don’t let any children read it, though. We don’t want them getting bad ideas, I guess. But hey, you know, Teddy I want to tell you about this week’s GOFU, which is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. We love to talk about GOFUs, because these are expensive lessons that individuals have learned, and you get to learn for free. This week’s GOFU concerns knowing how much ammo you have on your person. And what I mean by that is this. If you are carrying your gun, you have magazines and ammo. Then if you wish to unload your gun, either to, let’s say, comply with a “sensitive place”, or maybe you need to travel and declare it going thru the airport and all these things, keep track of your amount of ammo. An easy way to do this is to make sure you carry your ammo and/or spare ammo, and the ammo that you’ve loaded your magazines with, in one of those MTM plastic ammo boxes or in the original factory box, in which each round fills a hole or a slot in the box.

Evan Nappen 36:00
So, let’s say you get one of those 50 round MTM cases, and you’ve unloaded your gun. But you notice, hey, wait a minute, one of the slots doesn’t have a round in it? Now that’s a warning to you that you may have left around in a magazine or in the chamber of the gun or something like that. It ends up being a nice safeguard against forgetting a round when you think you may have unloaded. And this could become very important if you’re relying upon transporting or declaring your gun is unloaded, or any of those kind of things and suddenly it’s not because you missed a round. So, this confirms your ammo round count. We’ve had cases that came from individuals who unfortunately thought that a firearm did not contain ammunition, and next thing you know, they’re in a world of trouble. So, it’s a good tip when you store your ammo. Store it in a box or container that keeps the count of ammo readily visible.

Evan Nappen 37:10
This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

Speaker 2 37:23
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Gun Lawyer — Episode 244 Transcript

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Gun rights, reconciliation bill, National Firearms Act, silencers, SBRs, SBSs, Senate parliamentarian, Elizabeth McDonough, Senator Cornyn, Senator Thune, JD Vance, Second Amendment, knife laws, Supreme Court, nationwide injunctions.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:17 and I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:18
and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, the gun rights oppressors are out in full force, and they’re setting us back. It’s a couple steps forward, and then a couple steps back. The battle rages. So, we had gotten into the reconciliation bill, the repeal on the National Firearms Act (NFA) of the, we’ll just call it ban, for lack of a better word, ban on silencers and the ban on SBRs (Short Barrel Rifles) and SBSs (Shot Barrel Shotguns) and AOWs (Any Other Weapons). The repeal was in the bill, but as a reconciliation bill, it only requires a simple majority in which we could avoid cloture, avoid filibuster. You know, that’s where the Democrats who aren’t in power invoke that so that 60 votes is needed in order to get something passed. In this way, the Democrat gun rights oppressors can still stop us from regaining our liberty. And so by putting it in a reconciliation bill, it was excellent, because we could avoid that.

Evan Nappen 01:38
And reconciliation, though, is limited to tax matters. But the beauty of it is that the NFA is a tax law. The National Firearms Act was enacted based on the power of taxation. Yet, every reconciliation bill has to be evaluated by the Senate Parliamentarian, whose name is Elizabeth MacDonough. She is a Democrat who’s been there for well over a decade. And why they don’t can her ass, I have no idea. But she took the party line, and in doing what they call the “Byrd Bath” from Senator Byrd, she ripped out of the reconciliation bill the pro-Second Amendment rights language of the bill. So, that is really a shame. Now it’s not over yet, but we were on a fast track here to get liberty on those issues restored. But now, thanks to Democrats, again, we’re back where we were.

Evan Nappen 02:55
So, at this point, what we’re hoping to see is a couple things. Number one is Senator (John) Cornyn has stated that he’s confident the bill can be amended to eliminate the NFA tax on suppressors, SBRs and all that. But just eliminating the tax may or may not eliminate the registration and that’s the onerous

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part of the infliction on our Second Amendment rights. It’s not just about paying 200 bucks. It’s about the Government regulating, to the degree of discouragement, the acquisition of these items. So, I don’t know if Senator Cornyn’s plan will get us to the goal of the nullification, if you will, of these NFA provisions.

Evan Nappen 03:56
The other attempt, is to get either Senator (John) Thune, who’s of course, the head of the Senate, or better yet, J.D. Vance, to override the ruling by the partisan parliamentarian. But that is somewhat more of a long shot and most likely not going to happen, because the Senate is afraid that if we do that now, that later, if power shifts in the Houses, the Democrats will try to ram through more anti-liberty, more to anti-gun, more anti-rights, more of their progressive insanity agenda, not just on guns and that the Parliamentarian’s ruling needs to be respected. Now, of course, it was always funny is the Republicans, you know, try to enforce and play by these rules, until the Democrats “f” them later, where they don’t play by these rules. So, to worry about the future with this is stupid, because if the Democrats do gain power, they’ll be the ones to actually not follow a Parliamentarian’s recommendations.

Evan Nappen 05:23
We’ve seen them do this in the past. Because cloture, originally, you know that rule, that filibuster rule, applied universally, and it was the Democrats that changed it for judges and changed it for tax things so they could move their agenda. And, you know, when it suits them, they’re happy with it. But Republicans don’t seem to have the balls to do what’s right. And by the way, we have three and a half or more years with President Trump, and he’s turning the country around. So, to be worrying about our potential loss of power down the road is just ridiculous to make that the consideration when it comes to restoring our Second Amendment rights. But yet, here we are.

Evan Nappen 06:13
So, the fight is on, and I would highly recommend that you join the fight. That you join the NRA (National Rifle Association) and GOA (Gun Owners of America) and FPC (Firearm Policy Coalition). I’m a member of every organization I can join, and you should as well. This fight is ongoing. Now, of course, if it is cut out of this bill, if it is cut out of this, it doesn’t mean we can’t try to bring it again later. But then, with the 60 vote majority required, the anti-2A oppressors will have a much better shot at stopping important pro-Second Amendment rights laws from passing. As they always do, they oppose them. So, that’s where we’re looking at. That’s the playing field at the moment. We’ll see what happens. Maybe we can pull a rabbit out of a hat here, and we can still see a victory.

Teddy Nappen 07:15
I would ask just because I’m going to be completely honest, I’ve never heard of what is a Parliamentarian. I’ve never even heard of that job title. Because it seems like, for the fact that it just screwed us out of one of the most pro-gun legislations humanly possible. I mean, I would have put this right after Secretary of State, then, like it’s, if it’s that powerful.

Evan Nappen 07:39
Well, the Parliamentarian is for the Senate, not for the House. And the Parliamentarian’s job, if you will, is to look at a reconciliation bill and remove anything out of it that’s not related to taxation. It’s not part of

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taxes. But here’s where the Parliamentarian is flat out wrong. The NFA is a tax. It is what empowered it. It is the reason for the Miller decision in the 1930s that upheld the NFA. (United States v. Miller, 307 (1939)) The Government said they have the power to tax, and therefore they could tax these items, and that’s how we got a federal gun law. To now say that it’s not a tax flies in the very face of how we’ve suffered under this because it is a tax. So, this is a partisan move by the Parliamentarian. The Senate should appoint their own new Parliamentarian and not deal with a Parliamentarian that is a Democrat that they’ve left in place for over a decade. It’s an absurdity. Then we’d be able to see these things pass. So, the game is afoot, and we’ll see what happens with that.

Evan Nappen 08:52
I would like to point out at least something positive, and that is that the State of Delaware has passed a repeal of their switchblade law. (https://kniferights.org/legislative-update/delaware-switchblade-ban- repeal-knife-law-reform-passes/) It’s actually passed both houses now. It hasn’t been signed into law yet, but we’re hopeful that it will be. It would make Delaware join in the Knife Liberty Movement that I helped to start back in 2010 in New Hampshire. It’s been ongoing. Of course, New Jersey will probably be the last hold out. You know, New Jersey and California, of course. But, even California has automatic knives legal if they’re lower than two inches. But New Jersey is still, of course, stubborn on these things. But every state that we get repealing and eliminating their knife laws makes for a better argument for repealing the Federal Switchblade Act. So, this is really good work by my good friend Todd Rathner, who’s lobbyist for Knife Rights.

Evan Nappen 09:55
And, as you may have heard, Vermont just recently repealed their ban on switchblade knives. So, we keep knocking it out of the park, state by state, on gaining liberty. Because remember, it is the right to keep and bear arms. It’s not the right to keep and bear guns. It’s the right to keep and bear arms, and knives are arms. So, I’m happy to see that progress is being made on that front for the Second Amendment.

Evan Nappen 10:25
Additionally, you may have heard about the big win in the (United States) Supreme Court, where the law fair was being conducted against President Trump’s agenda. They were cherry picking and forum shopping activist judges who were implementing nationwide injunctions over the President’s attempts to govern the country. These little fiefdoms of judges think they’re the President by their unelected positions of being a judge. This has finally been laid to rest in a six to three decision by the Supreme Court that nationwide injunctions are not constitutional and they’re not part of the empowerment of the court. So that is good.

Evan Nappen 11:14
Now some folks you may hear that and say, well, what about when we challenge our gun rights? What about that? What about when we want national injunction there? Well, if you look at the federal actions that have taken place over the recent time, it ends up that when we move for our injunctive relief, it’s not actually nationwide injunctive relief. It is strictly based on just one person and not making a ruling that somehow magically applies to everywhere else in America. It’s been focused primarily on plaintiffs that come in as member organizations. So, if you remember what occurred with pistol braces, for

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example. If you were a member of Gun Owners of America, you were covered by the protection of the injunction. If you’re a member of NRA, they joined it. If you’re a member of certain gun rights groups that became plaintiffs, then their membership got covered. So, even that wasn’t nationwide as just a rule put forward by a lone judge. It was based on the party that was suing and in that case covering memberships.

Evan Nappen 12:28
The other thing is, there still is an availability of class actions. And some of the Democrats are saying, well, that’s what we’re going to do. But class actions are not as easy as bringing these nationwide injunctions where they could cherry pick their judge and get it just to issue with class actions. There’s a lot more to it, and you’ve got to certify the class and all these other things. So, it’ll be a much greater burden for them to even try to do it. It’s definitely a win, but I’m not worried about that win when it comes to protecting our gun rights. We always seem to have these battles that go on and often even when we get injunctions, such as in the New Jersey carry killer case, the appeals court stayed our injunctions so that we’re put in a waiting period anyway. That’s much less likely with these Democrat, you know, suppression issues, where they are suppressing and oppressing the President and his agenda to make America great again, and abusing their power with the last vestige of lawfare and influence that they have in a government that is no longer controlled by Democrats, where the President has been rooting out the Deep State, where the President has been cutting funding to these agencies that were funding the ultra left programs, from protesters down to the lawfare itself. So, we’re making tremendous progress. Elections have consequences, and the Democrats are trying to stop those excellent consequences from occurring. They’ve taken a great punch to their face with this most recent ruling. However.

Teddy Nappen 14:24
I will say from the ruling that I give Justice Amy Coney Barrett, Justice Barrett, credit. You know, there’s been some back and forth on her support, on her supporting Trump, on stuff. But this one, she pulled the Scalise, just like actually, blatantly insulted.

Evan Nappen 14:45 Scalia.

Teddy Nappen 14:45
Jacks. Scalia, oh yeah. Well, yeah, she.

Evan Nappen 14:48
She nuked her, that’s for sure.

Teddy Nappen 14:50 Yeah, it was.

Evan Nappen 14:51
She was calling out her stupidity.

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Teddy Nappen 14:54
It was. We will not dwell on Justice Jackson’s argument, which is at odds with more than two centuries worth of precedent.

Evan Nappen 15:02
Other than that, it was brilliant.

Teddy Nappen 15:05
We observe only this. Justice Jackson decries an imperial executive while embracing an imperial judiciary. Oh, my God.

Evan Nappen 15:16
Beautifully said. Yeah, good pick for Amy Coney Barrett, yeah. Well, this is the thing. So, at least things are lining up way better to make America the greatest, strongest, best country after four years of suffering under the senile sock puppet. So, now, however, back at home, we have serious problems, and our serious problems are the New Jersey Senate Democrats. They’re pushing as well as with the House that has already pushed this package of atrocious bills. I’ve discussed them in detail, but let me just give you a quick review, because you need to contact your Senate members and tell them to oppose all the new gun bills. They’re trying to fast track it and get it passed. This is terrible. They’re attacking our rights, and the oppression is in full bore, full bloom, and is amazingly serious with the things they’re trying to do. They are trying to incarcerate all of us and turn us into criminals. And that’s not an exaggeration.

Evan Nappen 16:22
So, let me just review with you the list of bills and give you some summaries of the evil that the other side is trying to get passed in New Jersey. One is S3894. Now that bill creates a crime for a simple possession of digital instructions to illegally manufacture firearms or components. It makes it a crime. Even if you never make a gun or component, simply having the digital file on your computer will and can result in a charge that is a high level felony charge against you. Then there’s S3895 that establishes a crime of reckless discharge. And what it does is it makes it a crime for anyone who discharges a firearm, even accidentally. Because unless the discharge is for a lawful purpose and accidents aren’t that, then and by the way, that’s just an affirmative defense. Even if you can claim it was a lawful purpose, such as in self-defense.

Evan Nappen 17:37
This is really bad, because the bill presents itself as being a disorderly person’s offense. You know, what New Jersey calls their misdemeanors. But don’t fall for that, because it’s not a misdemeanor. If it occurs within 100 feet of a dwelling, it is a felony, and as a felony, you’ll be charged accordingly. You can be disenfranchised and completely lose your gun rights, and you can go to State Prison for a commission of a felony. Not to mention that you’re going to be thrown to the Gulag, the Gun Owner Gulag, where we are going to have to fight just to get you out of jail pending your trial because of New Jersey’s elimination of bail, as we’ve discussed on the show. So, this is adding even more peril to every gun owner in New Jersey. Just imagine if every traffic accident, no matter how minor, you know, a fender bender you may have, that any party to a car accident is going to get charged with a crime.

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Imagine how many crimes would be charged on every single car accident. Well, an accident with a gun is the same as an accident with a car, an accident. It’s an accident. But they’re criminalizing accidents in New Jersey.

Evan Nappen 18:57
Then there’s S3896, and this bill is another attempt at criminalizing a lawful self-defense with a firearm. And this is what we’re calling the Gulag bill as well. They’re just hammering us to try to keep us incarcerated. It’s just as we reviewed in the last show. Then there’s S3706 which mandates the use of merchant category codes. So, anybody selling firearms and ammo will have to be coded so that the Government can track these sales and know who’s purchased what. Then there’s a big enhancement to the Gun Owner Gulag under S3900 and that bill allows imprisonment before trial for just an unlimited amount of time when someone is accused of any use or possession firearm offense. There is a forced recommendation of “no release” that must be made. And we discussed that one in detail. These bills are alive and well and heading toward becoming law in New Jersey.

Evan Nappen 20:26
Finally, there’s prohibition on devices that might convert a semi-auto to full-auto, and full-auto is already prohibited in New Jersey. This is unnecessary, but there you go, and it can cause even further jeopardy. They’re looking to incarcerate and criminalize every gun owner. This is a just a terrible situation getting worse and worse for New Jersey, and you have to be aware of this.

Evan Nappen 21:01
The Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs is fighting this. As a matter of fact, the bills that I just reviewed with you came from their alert. (https://www.anjrpc.org/page/KeepOpposingNJGunBillsNow) If you are a member of The Association New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, you would have received that alert. They have the buttons there for you to push so you can notify your legislators to fight it. They keep you aware of these legislative battles. It’s very important that you be a member of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs (https://www.anjrpc.org/) You’ll also be helping in our fight, in litigating the horrible gun laws in Jersey, from the carry killer bill to the assault firearm ban, to the large capacity magazine and others. Your Association, your state Association, is fighting hard on all fronts in a very, very difficult and tough environment known as the Democratic People’s Republic of New Jersey. They need your help. They need your support. You need to be a member. Go to https://www.anjrpc.org/.org and make sure you join today.

Evan Nappen 22:09
I also want to talk about our good friends at WeShoot, which is an indoor range in Lakewood. It’s the range that Teddy and I both shoot at and got our certifications at. You’ll love it at WeShoot. They are right there, conveniently off the Parkway in Lakewood. And this week, they have some pretty cool specials that I want to mention to you. They’re offering the OA 2311, which is a full size pro elite. It’s a 2011-style performance pistol built for speed, precision and dominance. I love those 2011-type setups. They’re really cool. I know you will, too. They also have a Mossberg 590R Breacher, and that’s a 12 gauge mag-fed shotgun with breacher-ready to blow through doors. It’s tactical, aggressive and built to handle whatever you throw at it. As a 590, it is a pump action. It is not an assault firearm in New Jersey. It is completely lawful to have a Mossberg 590. The Marlin 1895 SBL is a classic lever action which is

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made of stainless steel, and it fires a .45-70 cartridge. It’s very powerful, and I love the Marlin 1895 series. I’ve used mine, and so has Teddy. He used his to hunt bears. That’s the gun that saved my life when I was actually charged by a bear in the stand. So, I’m a big fan of the 1895 Marlin. That .45-70 cartridge packs a wallop, and you can get ammo from buffalo, boar and garret cartridges that are super hard cast. Just little freight trains that come out of that gun and that can basically take down anything on the planet. So, if you want a great gun that’s reliable, that’s solid, that’s super powerful. And just as an aside, it was the gun used in Jurassic Park. Teddy, who was carrying that 1895 gun in Jurassic Park? Who was that actor? You know.

Teddy Nappen 24:19
It was Chris Pratt, and that was Jurassic World.

Evan Nappen 24:23
There you go. My cinephile son, Teddy, who knows movies inside out. And I said, great. Do you know what? That is actually the best gun to use on dinosaurs, as well. So, I would highly recommend that if you feel threatened by dinosaurs, that Mr. Pratt there made an excellent choice as well. And you can pick up your dinosaur shooter at WeShoot. They have the Marlins there. Also, as just a little tip. If you check out the WeShoot website, you will see that they are featuring Sharol. She is one of the WeShoot girls, and she’s there posing with guns. And if you like to look at beautiful women and guns, then you will be quite satisfied going there and checking them out. weshootusa.com. Go to weshootusa.com for all your guns and training and range requirements. They are excellent, and I give them my highest recommendation.

Evan Nappen 25:30
As I also shamelessly give my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s the Bible of New Jersey gun law, and it is a book used by, well, everybody that wants to know about New Jersey gun law. It’s 120 topics, all in a question-and-answer format. I made it user friendly. You can get the book at EvanNappen.com. You’ll see the big orange book. Just click it, and order it. You’ll have it in a matter of days. And scan the front cover for the QR code. It’ll send you right to my free and private subscriber database. You can join there, and I’ll send you out alerts when the laws change. And look, some of these changes are coming down. As soon as they pass, I’ll be explaining them and telling you what you need to know. So, you’ll be getting updated, and your book stays current. Plus, you’ll be able to access the archives, and you’ll be able to pull the 2025 Comprehensive Update which updates everything to date. This way you stay on top of these insane gun laws of New Jersey. That’s my calling in life, to do that. So, go to EvanNappen.com. Hey, Teddy, what do you have for us in Press Checks today? Which we all know are free.

Teddy Nappen 26:39
Again, kind of talking about the anti-gun movement. They always seem to find any chance they get to just do a little bit of blood dance, even in their own. As coming from Bearing Arms, many people may know about the assassination in Minnesota of the state representative and the attempted assassination on the state senator, and I believe, also his wife, as I recall. (https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2025/06/24/author-stephen-king-spins-anti-gun-fiction-in- minnesota-assassination-n1229039) But one of the most infamous anti-gunners, known as Stephen

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King, decided to go on X and to post about calling Vance Boelter, the shooter, is clearly as nutty as a fruitcake. The real culprit is the gun he used.

Evan Nappen 27:02
Of course, it’s the gun. Oh, course. It’s not a maniac or a mentally deranged person or a criminal. It’s the gun. Oh, how simplistic.

Teddy Nappen 27:41
Yeah, I love his line in it. Stephen said, “Nuts are gonna do nutty, violent things, and guns are easily obtainable.” So, just to take a step back there. Nuts are gonna do nutty, violent things. Well, if that’s true, why are you blaming the firearm? If you know full well that evil people are always going to find ways of doing evil acts, yet you still blame the firearm. What’s the one line? You played yourself. But.

Evan Nappen 28:14
Actually, it’s more likely to blame stories that glorify maniac violence. That would probably have a little more influence, even, than a claim of guns. He should get out there and say, hey, my books are a problem. Tell me. I bet he had one, Teddy. What’s his famous book that you trace to just like every school shooting, too, or thereabouts. Like, what is it?

Teddy Nappen 28:42
Yes, well, just to establish it. Stephen King is an established anti-gunner. He’s donated to the Coalition for a Safer Maine, as from the CBS article. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-king-donates-to- maine-gun-control-coalition/) I love how he always has to say, I’m a gun owner, but I support gun control. He always says that he, like, just bought a pistol just to make say, have that like safeguard of saying, oh, I’m a gun owner. So, not only are you an elitist, but you’re also a hypocrite. But going from that is what you were leading to. For many of you, you may be familiar with Stephen King on many of his books, a lot of his horror, a lot of his movies. However, there is one book he has done his best to bury. That is the book known as “Rage”. This is from “the-line-up of banned Stephen King books. (https://the-line-up.com/banned-stephen-king-books) For those of you who may not be aware of “Rage”, he was so much ashamed of the book, he didn’t even use his name. He used a pen name – Richard Bachman.

Evan Nappen 29:38
Well, that’s why wasn’t he. That’s maybe one of the reasons he changed his name, his pen name, from Bachman.

Teddy Nappen 29:45
So, not only is he a coward, where he doesn’t even own up to the book. Though, the book is about this protagonist, known as Charlie Decker, a high school student who is reprimanded for his violent behavior. He is expelled, and then one thing leads to another. It leads a vivid portrayal of him going on a killing spree in the school.

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Evan Nappen 30:05
A school shooting. Shooting up a school. Oh, my, and this was before there was any rash of school shootings that he wrote this.

Teddy Nappen 30:16 Yes.

Evan Nappen 30:16
And how many school shooters have mentioned anything about that book being an influence on them? Any of them? Have anyone?

Teddy Nappen 30:24
Many, in fact. In fact, coming from Fox News, they actually cite to many of the school shooters. (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/why-stephen-kings-school-shooter-book-rage-is-out-of-print- and-a-copy-costs-500) It goes all the way back to 1997 in the Heath High School in Kentucky, where 14 year old Michael Carneal brought three guns to school and opened fire on a group of students. And sure enough, the police later discovered a copy of “Rage” in his locker. It was the fourth school gun violence incident traced to Stephen King’s now out of print book. In 1996, 14-year-old Barry Dale Loukaitis killed his Algebra teacher and tried to take hostages, allegedly claiming he was inspired by the book “Rage” and modeled his life.

Evan Nappen 30:47
He flat out admitted it. There you go.

Teddy Nappen 30:50
In 1989, seventeen year old Dustin Pierce took a classroom of 11 students hostage, and he was trying to recreate the plot of “Rage”. After a nine hour standoff, he surrendered. This is just one of many of inspirations. By the way.

Evan Nappen 31:24
This guy is not just a hypocrite. He’s one of the inspirations to the very shooters. It’s just outrageous.

Teddy Nappen 31:34
Yes, and also, it wasn’t until the Newtown shooting that he officially pulled the book. And then I love his whole argument. I love how he said, like, he leans on, I’m a First Amendment advocate. Oh, you’re an advocate of the Constitution. Why not be an advocate of the Second Amendment as well? And actually go after and call out evil behavior, doing evil acts.

Evan Nappen 31:57
Right. And then he might even be able to use that argument to say, look, I wrote a book. But there are nuts out there that try to make a horror fiction a reality. Just like there are nuts out there that use guns improperly. There are nuts out there that take on fiction of horror and make it into a false reality. Therefore, he could actually be consistent. But no, but no. He doesn’t do that.

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Teddy Nappen 32:29
Yeah, and I always love how well they try to float the argument where they try to, like, draw that violence away. Like, no, no, books and movies don’t inspire violence. Guns. Guns create violence. Really? So, you’re saying nutty people. Where do they get the ideas from?

Teddy Nappen 32:46
What was the one Stephen King book where it was the car running people over?

Evan Nappen 32:46
Well, Teddy, wait now. Just yesterday, I saw a gun all by itself, run out of into the road, and just shoot somebody. All by itself. These guns are out of control. Someone’s got to do something about them. Because they just go all around shooting people by themselves. I don’t know how they got programmed. It’s amazing.

Evan Nappen 33:11
Maybe that’s it. Maybe only in his books guns do that? Like Chris. What is Christine or Christie? Whatever. “Carrie”. Yeah, well.

Teddy Nappen 33:21
It was a Misery where he has that, too.

Evan Nappen 33:23
It was Misery. That was a different one that he did. You could ask James Khan about that one, right? But this is pretty crazy. But I guess if a gun is haunted and it’s a Stephen King haunted gun, that goes around shooting individuals, then number one, what he’s saying would be true. And number two, that would be the only ghost gun I would agree to ban. That haunted gun that goes around shooting individuals by themselves. That would be a true ghost gun that we should not have around. Because nothing’s worse than a gun independently going around shooting in Maine.

Teddy Nappen 34:03
I will say we did have the haunted gun collection case. So, that was always.

Evan Nappen 34:08
Well, that’s true. We did have that case, but they weren’t using the guns. The spirits were. They just, they were, yeah, that was crazy. That was one crazy case. Yeah, I hear you, man. Hey, I could do like a competition to Stephen King called “The Haunted Gun Collection” and write a whole thing about how that works, right? It could really expand on that theme, Teddy.

Teddy Nappen 34:31
Also, if anyone is a collector of banned books, a copy of “Rage” does go for $500. So, if you want to find one.

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Evan Nappen 34:39
Well, if you’re at flea markets, look for Richard Bachman’s “Rage”. But don’t let any children read it, though. We don’t want them getting bad ideas, I guess. But hey, you know, Teddy I want to tell you about this week’s GOFU, which is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. We