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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

New Jersey gun laws, pre-trial detention, gun owner Gulag, Senate Bill 3896, Senate Bill 1558, Senate Bill 3895, Senate Bill 3893, Senate Bill 3706, firearm possession, self-defense, reckless discharge, machine gun conversion, digital instructions, merchant codes, gun rights suppression.

SPEAKERS

Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen, Evan Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:18
and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Well, New Jersey has absolutely gone insane. Wait till I tell you about this. They intend to lock up every self-defender, everybody that carries a gun, even with a permit. They want to turn everybody, not only into criminals, but they want to lock up gun owners and throw away the key without any trial. It is absolutely nuts. Let’s get into it.

Teddy Nappen 00:51
Sounds like another Tuesday in New Jersey, though.

Evan Nappen 00:53
Well, I’ll tell you what, folks. This is something that on its face, many folks would not understand, but I’m going to make it. I’m going to clarify it. I’m going to make it so you will be able to understand the reality of what New Jersey is attempting to do to all of us. So, recently, a whole package of gun rights suppression laws have been pushed through the Senate, and these have been passed already by the House. They’re looking to fast track these bills to get them passed. Let me talk to you about these bills.

Evan Nappen 01:43
Let’s start with the one that is the worst of the worst. They’re all terrible, but this one is just insanity plus. As many of you are aware, New Jersey has what I’ve often called and still call the Gun Owner Gulag. Now the Gun Owner Gulag is because New Jersey got rid of bail, cash bail, for crimes. In New Jersey, when you face a charge that is put on a warrant, as opposed to a summons, and remember just about every serious offense is put on a warrant, not a summons. With a summons, you’re simply given a notice to appear in court, and that’s it. But with a warrant, you’re arrested, and then you have to get released by a judge. The system for the release in New Jersey is called pre-trial detention, and it is now being abused to the max to destroy gun owners’ lives.

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Evan Nappen 02:46
Let me explain what is going on. So, right now, as we speak, if you have any kind of firearm charge, you’re going to end up subject to the pre-trial detention system as to whether you get released. So, the way it works first is, if you are charged with a warrant charge, it doesn’t matter that you’re innocent, you’re going to be held for 48 hours. The prosecutor can decide anytime within that 48 hours, whether or not to seek pre-trial detention. Now, if the prosecutor chooses not to seek pre-trial detention, great! You’re going to be released, maybe with some conditions. There’s no more bail, and you’re going to be let go. However, when it comes to guns, they just about always, and now with these new laws, it’ll probably be always seek pre-trial detention. Now if they seek pre-trial detention, it means you’re going to have to have a hearing, and if the judge grants the State’s motion for pre-trial detention, you will be held until your trial. In jail with no bail. That’s how it works. Unless you get the matter somehow adjudicated prior to trial, where you end up pleading to something where you’re going to do time or whatever, or you get it adjudicated, because you win on some motion, months and months and months that you’ve been sitting there. But, short of that, you’re held without bail. So, the way it’s working right now is you have this pre-trial detention system. You have the 48 hours, and then you’re going to have the five days for the hearing. It’s critical that you have an attorney that knows what the hell they’re doing, because if you don’t get out, then you’re staying in. Okay? It’s bad.

Evan Nappen 04:33
Now, currently, what happens is there is what’s called a PSA, Public Safety Assessment, that gets done. It’s two different assessments. One is whether you’re a flight risk. And that doesn’t mean whether you’re going to sprout wings and fly away. It means, are you going to come back to court? Now that was always the traditional reason for bail, to ensure that you come back to court. The second is a so- called, safety threat to the community, or any other label you want to give it. And when it comes to guns, all the anti-gun propaganda comes out about guns and the danger of guns, and why do you have a gun and everything under the sun that always makes us nauseous to hear when the antis go at it, and that’s what they’re currently using. We have to fight those things all the time and bring back reality to the situation. I’ve done uncountable numbers of these hearings to get people out.

Evan Nappen 05:32
Well, my friends, New Jersey now has a law that they are pushing, and it looks like it’s going to be railroaded through. It is Senate Bill 3896. (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/S4000/3896_R1.PDF) I’m going to call this Gulag One. They have two different bills affecting the Gulag. This bill will make it so that anybody that is subject to the Gulag system, that’s subject to that Public Safety Assessment, that is now heading to their pre-trial detention hearing, where they’re going to have to get out, that Public Safety Assessment either makes a recommendation of release or makes a recommendation of no release. This is extraordinarily influential on the judge as to whether you’re going to get out or not. This new bill says that the release recommendation of pretrial services program obtained using a risk assessment instrument, that’s the Public Safety Assessment where they have the two tests, they’re done on scales of one to five. You want the low numbers. Even if you get a one / one, meaning low flight risk and low danger. I’ll repeat it. The release recommendation of the pretrial services program obtained using a risk assessment instrument. Pretrial services shall, in other words, it’s mandatory. Shall recommend no release when a defendant has been charged with any crime involving the use or

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possession of a firearm. Period. End of story. So, if you are charged with any firearm possession or use offense, they intend to hold you without bail for the duration, until you finally get your trial, or somehow resolve this prior to trial. You’re sitting in jail with no bail.

Evan Nappen 07:51
Now let’s talk about what offenses are criminal offenses that involve the use or possession of a firearm? Well, number one is self-defense. If you defend yourself, you’re going to get charged with either assault, maybe even homicide, maybe aggravated assault, pointing your gun, or any of those things. And self- defense, what we call justification for the use of force, is a defense of law. An affirmative defense that we have to fight by way of a jury trial, many times, to prove, because the burden of proof is actually shifted to us to prove that you were lawful in your use of self-defense. So, any gun owner that is charged, even though they have an argument of self-defense, is going to get a recommendation of no release based on the charge of unlawful use of a firearm, even though that charge is fully defensible under self-defense. It won’t matter, folks. It will not matter when it comes to whether you’re getting released or not.

Evan Nappen 09:13
It’s not just use, by the way. It’s also possession. So, if you’re charged with unlawful possession of a handgun, if you’re charged with unlawful possession of a so-called assault firearm, if you’re charged with any firearm offense of possessory nature, this applies as well. It also applies to those of us who carry and may end up being wrongly charged with being in a sensitive place. This is an effort disguised as public safety to try to destroy our right to carry and our right to defend ourselves by incarcerating and holding, without bail, law-abiding gun owners. It is outrageous. It is insanity, and the jails are going to be chock full of those placed in the Gulag. This puts the Gulag on steroids. It is nuts. Yes, go right, ahead Teddy.

Teddy Nappen 10:28
So, just kind of thinking like it’s any charge to deal with firearms. Now, would that be, let’s say, for example, if a guy is driving and there’s a hollow point bullet. If he’s pulled over and they find the bullet there, oh, possession of a hollow point.

Evan Nappen 10:43
Well, is a hollow point. We’d have to argue a hollow point is not a firearm charge, and we’d have to argue the same with a magazine. But who knows? The State will probably say, oh, no, it’s in the firearm laws, right? Controlling firearms and guns, but that’s not specifically a firearm charge. But your shotgun that you’re transporting while hunting and you’re relying upon the exemption, if you get stopped on the way while hunting and you get charged, even though you’re within the exemption. Well, that exemption is a defense that you were going hunting, but you’ll have to prove that later. Meanwhile, you’re going to be held without bail. If you’re transporting your gun to the range, you are charged, and you’re relying upon exemption again, a defense. Well, you’ll just have to wait in jail until your trial or until you get to prove that you were within an exemption, because that’s a defense as well. Any firearm charge.

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Evan Nappen 11:39
And it gets worse, folks. It gets worse with the Gulag bill Two, which is S-3900. (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/S4000/3900_R1.PDF) Gulag Two now allows the State to get an extra seven days to provide a firearm report. For anybody who’s charged with possession or use of a firearm, the State can get an extra seven days so they can get a ballistic analysis done. So, now, you’re charged, and you’re in the 48-hour Gulag. Then you go to the five days for your detention hearing. You then are going to be subject to another seven days before you even get your hearing to try to get out where there’s a presumption against, where there’s a recommendation against, you even being released. So, you’re in for a good two weeks before we get to fight with all the odds stacked against you. It’s nuts. The idea is incarcerate law-abiding gun owners. Suppress, suppress, suppress the gun owner. Suppress Second Amendment rights. Discourage carry. Discourage gun possession. Discourage self-defense, and do it in this manner of actual incarceration. It is horrible. I can’t emphasize it enough, and I fight these Gulag cases all the time. Teddy, you’ve seen how many times that I’ve done this. How many times? Fighting all the time like at least. At least every other day, we’re trying to get somebody out, and this is now to make it incredibly difficult to get somebody out.

Teddy Nappen 13:40
My favorite part is when the judge is just nodding along to the prosecutor, like, yeah, yeah, stack all those charges. And then when you explain, actually, that’s completely legal, the judge goes like, what? What do you mean that’s legal? Like, not even knowing the very law, right? And he’s being accused of.

Evan Nappen 13:57
Right. We just had one with a poor guy from Florida. Everything he was doing was legal in Florida, but it was not legal in New Jersey. I pointed out that where the guy is from, it’s all legal. Now, of course, this isn’t Florida. It’s New Jersey. The judge says that doesn’t have anything to do with this case. And I corrected the judge because it does. Because under the heartland guidelines, if a non-resident is in fact obeying the laws of his home state, then that can make all the difference in getting into a diversion program. And that was established with the Shaneen Allen case. So, of course, don’t expect them to know the law, but this is the kind of thing I deal with all the time. These two bills here are going to make it just unbearable. It’s already a horrible system, and this is what their intention is.

Evan Nappen 14:53
Then we have Senate Bill 1558. (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/S2000/1558_R1.PDF) Under this bill, it basically is the ghost gun, oooooooooh, bill that had passed long before where they made possession of unserialized gun, or manufacture of any of these, or 3D printing of any of these, etc, it was a second degree. This bill now raises the penalty to first degree. Now keep in mind, folks. A first degree crime in New Jersey is the same degree of murder, same degree. They’ve now raised this firearm offense to the equivalent of the same level that someone would be charged with murder, and it carries up to 20 years in State Prison for anyone who manufactures or possesses an unserialized gun, etc. Anybody who has a so-called covert or undetectable firearm. We talked about these things before. It’s bad enough at a second degree, and yes, you’re subject to the Gulag. Now, the penalties are being raised to the highest criminal level in New Jersey, a first degree.

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Evan Nappen 16:19
Then we have Senate Bill 3895. (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/S4000/3895_R1.PDF) This bill criminalizes reckless discharge. So, if you have an AD, an Accidental Discharge, and we’ve talked about this before, it is a fourth degree crime. And if you have that accident, it won’t matter. Now you’re charged with unlawful use of a firearm, and it’s the Gulag for your ass, okay? Just because you had an accidental discharge. It doesn’t matter. They’re going to criminalize the discharge and make it a fourth degree crime. You’re looking at a year and a half for that. It simply says, if you discharge a firearm unlawfully or without a lawful purpose, well, it was an accident. It wasn’t a lawful purpose, was it? You’re now looking at the Gulag and being turned into a felon. Being prosecuted for reckless discharge for that accidental discharge. You know, imagine if with any car accident anyone ever had, they got criminally charged. No matter what, and then held without bail on any car accident. No matter whether anybody was injured or not, how minor it was, no damage. It doesn’t matter. Every car accident, imagine that. Whatever, you know, little bumper tap. Oh, too bad. You’re now criminally charged. You’re now facing the Gulag because you didn’t hit that bumper with a lawful purpose, did you? So, there you go. They’re now going to do that to gun owners. Then we have. Go ahead, Teddy.

Teddy Nappen 18:19
What if, as the example, like if you’re accused of it, but there was no discharge. It was just some loud noise or something crashing. But you’re accused.

Evan Nappen 18:28
Well, if you’re charged, you’re charged. Your defenses will come later. Meanwhile, you’ll sit in the Gulag. Good luck with that.

Teddy Nappen 18:36
They’ll sit in the Gulag with no accident, with not doing anything.

Evan Nappen 18:40
Anybody sitting in the Gulag, nobody’s proven guilty of anything yet. You haven’t had a trial. You’re still presumed innocent, but you’re sitting in jail because New Jersey has so unbelievably effed up the traditional bail system by politicizing it on gun owners. This has to get out there, folks. You have to know this. You have to understand what we’re dealing with. This is nothing less than evil. It is pure evil, and it is suppression of gun owners, the Second Amendment, our rights of self-defense, of being a gun owner. It’s attacking all of us, and it’s outrageous.

Evan Nappen 19:24
Senate Bill 3893 now criminalizes so-called machine gun conversion devices. (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/S4000/3893_R1.PDF) Of course, they’re going to try to make anything that makes a gun fire faster fall under that, and they’re criminalizing the possession of the device. I’m sure they’re focused on so-called, you know, Glock switches, but it’s so broadly written that they’re going to go at us on anything like that. It says a machine gun conversion device. It means any device capable of converting a firearm into a machine gun. And, well, essentially, right? Remember how you that right? Because you get right there you go, Teddy, your right. And, you know, remember with ATF, where the guy actually registered a shoelace as a machine gun? Yeah. So, this is where they

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can go to the extreme on any of these and make that allegation. And again, they lock you up in the Gulag because it’s a firearm offense, and we can deal with your defenses later as you rot in jail. How nice.

Evan Nappen 20:32
In Senate Bill 3894, they’ve also criminalized the digital instructions to manufacture a firearm. (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/S4000/3894_R1.PDF) They’re now criminalizing it as follows. “Firearm digital instructions” means digital instructions in the form of computer-aided design files or other code or instructions stored and displayed in electronic format as a digital mode that may be used to program a three-dimensional printer to manufacture or produce a firearm, firearm receiver, magazine, or firearm component.” Folks, if you can 3D print anything about guns, and all you have is the program to do it, you’re now going to be looking at a criminal charge of the following. Firearm digital instructions. A person who is not licensed or registered to manufacture firearms. If you’re not a licensed manufacturer of firearms and you possess firearm digital instructions, as I’ve just explained them to you, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. You’re looking at a year and a half in State Prison, and you’re looking at it as a firearm offense, because it’s about digital instruction for manufacturing firearms and the intent to manufacture a firearm, though, arguably, part of this would be something that you can happily try to win at your jury trial. Good luck with that.

Evan Nappen 22:23
And finally, Senate Bill 3706 is requiring merchant codes for purchase of firearms and ammunition. (https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2024/S4000/3706_R1.PDF) And what it means is that any of these credit card companies, or debit card companies, or any of these merchants that use these methods, the payment card network, must create merchant categories for firearms and ammunition businesses. They have to assign these codes so that you can be tracked as to what you’re buying from any dealer in New Jersey. So, folks, the answer to that is real simple. If you buy a gun or you buy ammo, you better pay cash. Because they’re recording and making a record of any of these purchases again to continue the clamp down and the suppression of gun owners, of Second Amendment rights, of our ability to exercise our Constitutional rights. It’s evil personified. It is really bad.

Evan Nappen 23:43
You need to contact your legislature and your senators and your reps and tell them, do not pass this. You also need to belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They have a full-time paid lobbyist trying to fight this garbage. We have an uphill fight, and we need every gun owner to be part of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. There’s power in numbers. We have to stay unified. Please make sure you join ANJRPC.org The Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. Make sure you’re a member. We have to stay unified. We’re going to be fighting this, not only in the legislature, but also in the courts. It’s critical that you do your part and fight to stop this insanity. The Association is the premier gun rights organization of New Jersey and is doing that very thing.

Evan Nappen 24:45
These are very serious problems. This is real, folks. They really do this to gun owners. I fight all the time for gun owners. This isn’t pie in the sky. This is not an extrapolation or just speculation of what might happen. Folks, this is really happening, and they’re going to make it as bad as I’m telling you.

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This is going to enhance a system that is already outrageous to put it beyond belief. As a gun owner in New Jersey, you are in danger, nothing short of that. You are in danger from what the legislature and the Democrats in control and Murphy are doing to us. It is just that bad, and it’s not an exaggeration. Beware. Join the Association and join the fight.

Evan Nappen 25:46
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Evan Nappen 27:59
Let me also take a moment now to shamelessly promote my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s the Bible of Jersey gun law. And if you get the book, which I highly suggest, make sure you scan the QR code on the front cover. Make sure you’re subscribed for free to my subscriber base, which is private. I will be sending out email updates when these atrocities, if they become law, you’ll know, because I’ll do the updates. You will get updates for free. You’re going to want to know what to watch out for. It’s one of the ways you can protect yourself and try to stay out of the Gulag. It’s crazy in New Jersey, and my book is there to try to help you avoid those problems and remain law-abiding and not a victim of New Jersey’s gun laws and gun rights suppression. So, Teddy, what do you have for us today in Press Checks?

Teddy Nappen 29:01
You know, Press Checks are always free, and my god. Just taking a deep breath from that bill, like utter insanity. And it also kind of reminds us that we have to keep an eye on what the anti-gunners are doing, because New Jersey is the petri dish where they test all their insanity.

Evan Nappen 29:27
You’re absolutely right, and that’s what’s so important here. You’re right. They want to make this country wide. Don’t be fooled. That’s exactly what they want to do.

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Teddy Nappen 29:36
Correct. And one thing I always make a point in my segment to always look at the other anti-gunners of what they’re attempting. As you may know, the Democrats decided to spend $20 million on trying to reach Gen Z men because they lost them heavily in the last election. And it’s this. I think it’s called a STAM’s program, like Speaking To Adolescent Men. Yeah. So, TheTrace, apparently, the anti-gunners decided, you know what? That’s a good idea. Let’s reach Gen Z men. How do we do that? Well, that’s obvious. Through gamers and online streamers. This is from TheTrace. (https://www.thetrace.org/2025/04/video-game-gun-safety-streamer-gen-z/) “Off the Virtual Battlefield, Gamers Are Teaching Gen Z About the Real-World Risks of Guns” The gun violence prevention,

Evan Nappen 30:35
Oh, like when the aliens and the Jello monsters attack from outer space, and that’s when you absolutely better use the 9 mm because it performs better in Jello than a .45, right?

Teddy Nappen 30:36 Yeah, exactly.

Evan Nappen 30:42
I guess. Something like that. But, yeah,

Teddy Nappen 30:49
The gun violence prevention organization known as Project Unloaded is teaming up with video game streamers. So, they go on like Twitch platforms, whatever platform, and play video games. So, imagine a video where, you know, they’re playing, like, Call of Duty, a big shoot em up, a lot of blood, killing people.

Evan Nappen 31:10
Well, you’ve played a lot of Call of Duty, right? You’re very familiar with that.

Teddy Nappen 31:13
Yeah. And imagine then all of a sudden they do a pause, we’re going to talk about gun violence.

Evan Nappen 31:19
Oh no, they’re really going to interrupt the game with that?

Teddy Nappen 31:23 Yeah, they’re going to.

Evan Nappen 31:24
That’s going to screw the whole thing up. Who wants that? Who wants propagandize when you’re just trying to enjoy your video game? That’s horrible.

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Teddy Nappen 31:31
And it’s so. I love this whole thing that they try to push where they’re talking about how nearly a third of young people, including half of young men, said video games influence their perspective on guns. They have created the leave guns in the game, a new initiative, to campaign against the gun violence prevention Group. Teaming up with Gen Z gaming content creators.

Evan Nappen 32:03
I’m sure this will be tremendously successful, just like every other 80/20 issue the Democrats seem to adopt.

Teddy Nappen 32:10
Yes, because that’s how to do it.

Evan Nappen 32:12
I’m sure every gamer is going to love their game being interrupted with that garbage.

Teddy Nappen 32:18
Yes, and I will point out there’s one thing I thought was hilarious. That just sticks with me, though, ultimately, from the article. Our research shows that gaming is a key way young people learn about guns, and the message that most people have learned about guns through video games, and other sources, too, is that they are safer than they actually are. That is.

Evan Nappen 32:42
Guns are safer than they actually are is what you learn blasting aliens and shoot them ups and all that. That’s what you learn from that. Is that what they actually think?

Teddy Nappen 32:53
Yeah, yeah. And it’s their whole push, because they’re trying to target modern. They think there’s a heavy influence of modern gaming on the gun violence epidemic in our culture.

Evan Nappen 33:05
Well, Teddy, tell me, did your research uncover anything about how long we’ve had games involving fake guns, toy guns, all that?

Teddy Nappen 33:17
Well, thank you for plugging that. I did a little bit of research, and, you know, it goes back to 1887.

Evan Nappen 33:24
Oh, wait a minute. You mean young males have been influenced and were made since 1887. Wow. Well, there wasn’t video then. So, what did they do? What was it?

Teddy Nappen 33:34
So, this is from an article done by the allincolorforaquarter.blogspot.com. (https://allincolorforaquarter.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-first-light-gun-game.html?m=1)And it talked

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about the light gun games, where the automatic pleasure, it was a book where the first coin-operated gun game, you know, the automatic shooter.

Evan Nappen 33:41
Like an arcade game from way back.

Teddy Nappen 33:53
It would set up where you could shoot an air rifle. You put in the coin, and it have a whole mechanism, sets a little box, and you could shoot the targets.

Evan Nappen 34:01 Sounds cool.

Teddy Nappen 34:02
You know, the early developments of games. And quite frankly, the level of insanity doesn’t even stop there. Now, you know, with me growing up, where I grew up, and I loved playing Halo.

Evan Nappen 34:18
Yeah, you were great. You’re very skilled.

Teddy Nappen 34:21
It was the one game I loved. I always loved playing it, you know. Get in there and kill the crazy aliens trying to wipe out humanity. You know, shoot them with everything you got. But

Evan Nappen 34:30
And sometimes you used alien weapons. It must have taught you that alien weapons were safe, too, huh? I guess you learned that.

Teddy Nappen 34:38
Aliens were taking down the energy shields. But, anyways, this is what also pisses me off. What destroyed Halo, the whole gaming industry, one of their lead developers of the game. This from Smash JT. (https://www.smashjt.com/post/halo-dev-can-t-tell-the-difference-between-real-life-video-games) They wrote a whole article on it. One of the head developers of the new Halo game. He quote, I honestly don’t think I can work on a game that glorifies or fantasizes modern guns, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc. I’ve had moments of struggle with Halo, but the weapons

Evan Nappen 35:04
Where do they find these people?

Teddy Nappen 35:11
It’s just, you know, Silicon Valley or whatever.

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Evan Nappen 35:14
Oh, my God. But I remember when you would play Halo, you would have modern firearms and their alien weapons. There was a whole array of all kinds of cool stuff that you would battle with, right?

Teddy Nappen 35:27
You know, it’s nothing like taking a six gauge pump action shotgun.

Evan Nappen 35:32 A six gauge.

Teddy Nappen 35:34
I know it’s pretty funny. I’m like, dear God, that would break your shoulder. But, okay, there’s super soldier.

Evan Nappen 35:40
I guess they could handle the six gauge, huh? But did they duck hunt with that, too? No. Duck Hunt was another video game where you shot ducks. Yeah, right, yeah. You weren’t allowed to use a six gauge.

Teddy Nappen 35:50
Yeah. But funny enough. Duck Hunt off the NES, you could go in and shoot. I mean, these have existed all. Castle Wolfenstein, 1981.

Evan Nappen 35:52
I used to play that even. I liked that when I was. That was fun. You were killing Nazis. What’s wrong with that?

Teddy Nappen 36:06
I know, killing Nazis. Killing beings from hell, like.

Evan Nappen 36:09 Right. It was great.

Teddy Nappen 36:11
And it’s, quite frankly, stupid. Because they’re trying to influence. By the way, from gurugamer.com, the Top 10 Most largest player-based games in the world. Seven out of the 10 of them are shooters. They are wasting their time trying to combat the gun violence epidemic in video games.

Evan Nappen 36:30
You know, it’s so stupid. At one point, they claimed that comic books caused this, and they are always looking for everything and anything except what really matters. It begins with family, fathers, responsibility. You know, those things. But the left destroys that stuff. They don’t want to see that, you know. So, they just look for all these other outlets and excuses and just it was changing the entire focus to whatever their current ox is that they need to gore. You know, they’re just outrageous.

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Teddy Nappen 37:07
What was really funny is that the article from TheTrace threaded the needle so hard trying to say, look, we’re not saying video games cause violence, at least.

Evan Nappen 37:18
Oh, of course. No, no, that’s not what they’re saying.

Teddy Nappen 37:22
We are saying that we don’t want video games to promote gun violence.

Evan Nappen 37:26
Right. That it will promote guns. They promote guns. And I’m like, but it’s not about any kind of restriction on freedom of speech or just entertainment. And God forbid we actually look at movies too. Especially with all the left wing anti-gun actors that star in movies that wrongly use guns all the time. But don’t. I’ll tell you, I’ve often said with the way there are warnings before movies where they warn you about profanity, or they warn you about smoking, or they warn you about nudity. How about a warning that says this movie portrays the unsafe and improper use of firearms? Why don’t you put that in front of all your damn movies? I’m not saying don’t make the movies, but suddenly everyone would see how many of these shows promote the unsafe and unlawful use of firearms. That’s what’s actually being done. But instead, they’re trying to twist it into a focus of young males, and somehow it’s a man problem and a male problem. If they could even define what one is, of course. And it has to do with the actual gaming. I mean, it’s unreal. People that fall for it, you got to be pretty stupid, and they are.

Teddy Nappen 39:02
It’s pretty funny, because I remember. Do you remember the demand, a plan, big commercial 12 years ago, where they got all these Hollywood actors, you know, I guess, like, whatever stupid gun control,

Evan Nappen 39:18
Right. Whatever suppression they were heralding at the moment.

Teddy Nappen 39:22
Someone cut the video to, whenever an actor spoke, it cut to them misusing firearms. Can look it up.

Evan Nappen 39:31
Right. That’s what they do. That’s what they do all the time. And not only do they misuse it, yeah, the people that produce these movies add in gun sounds that aren’t there. I love when safeties are being clicked off on Glocks. I love how every shotgun is being racked, even though it’s not being racked. How every gun clatters and clacks and cocks even though it’s not necessary. And by the way, you’re going into it without rounds in your chambers anyway? And then I’ve seen the craziest, dumbest sound effects that are just put in, obviously by sound effect people that have no clue how firearms work. And every time you hear it, you just go, what? What was that? I mean, it’s nuts. They just think it enhances the movie, but it really takes away.

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Teddy Nappen 40:22
Fortunately, the foley artist is contractually obligated to make stupid sound effects for guns.

Evan Nappen 40:28
I guess that’s what the rule is. That’s pretty funny. Well, Teddy, I appreciate your Press Checks today. Let’s talk about our favorite segment, which is the GOFU, and that’s the Gun Owner Fuck Up. We talk about GOFUs because these are expensive mistakes gun owners make that you get to learn for free. So, you don’t make them. And this week’s GOFU, again, these are actual cases. These are actual people that have committed these problems. Let me just summarize it. Real simple. Folks, don’t bring your guns to Canada. Okay, it’s real simple. At the border, if you have your handgun from America, you’re in trouble. If you have a firearm that Canada regulates and prohibits, you’re in trouble. Keep in mind, even if you’re bringing your hunting gun into Canada. Remember, your rifle can’t be less than 18 inches. So, if you have a 16 and a half inch carbine, you’re in trouble. Don’t bring your guns to Canada.

Evan Nappen 41:31
I wouldn’t even hunt in Canada. I used to. I used to love it. I used to love it. But their gun laws are terrible, and what happens to gun owners is horrible. I remember one time that I was on a bear hunt in Canada, and this is back a number of years. We were waiting for one of the hunters to get there, and he was hours late. He finally pulls up in his truck, and he had a license plate that he was a retired Pennsylvania State Trooper. Well, he said that at the border, when they saw his retired Pennsylvania State Trooper plate, they tore his car apart for three hours looking for his handgun that they knew he must have, which, by the way, he didn’t have. And think about this. This is a retired law enforcement officer, and you’re that concerned about that guy who might have a handgun? Yeah, that’s Canada in a nutshell. So, listen, don’t bring your guns to Canada. Canada does not recognize any carry permit from America at all. And if you got across through Canada, because you’re going to Alaska, you can’t ride through Canada with your guns. You can’t go into Canada with a firearm, even if you’re licensed out of the U.S. So, folks, I know this seems basic, but I get these calls and I get these cases. So, don’t be a GOFU.

Evan Nappen 43:02
This is Evan and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens. And not only that, they incarcerate honest citizens.

Speaker 2 43:17
Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state.

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Downloadable PDF TranscriptGun Lawyer S3 E243_Transcript About The HostEvan Nappen, Esq.

Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

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