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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

New Jersey gun laws, gun seizure, forfeiture, red flag law, duty to warn, gun safe, gun club

membership, gun storage, expungement, gun rights, gun ownership, legal proceedings, gun theft, gun

rights suppression, gun lawyer.

SPEAKERS

Teddy Nappen, Evan Nappen, Speaker 2

Evan Nappen 00:15

I’m Evan Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 00:17

And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Evan Nappen 00:18

and welcome to Gun Lawyer. New Jersey loves to steal your guns and steal your gun rights. They love

to turn law-abiding citizens into criminals. They love to suppress our Second Amendment rights. What I

want to talk about today is to give you 10 important tips on how to defeat New Jersey. Should you

become a victim of a New Jersey gun theft, where New Jersey, the state of New Jersey, seizes your

firearms and attempts to take away your gun rights and keep your guns by what they call forfeiture. The

Nazis called it expropriation of property, but New Jersey calls it forfeiture. When these things happen, it

can be extremely emotionally upsetting, because your privacy is invaded. Your home, your sanctuary,

has been invaded. Your property has been seized and taken, and now you’re going to have to fight to

regain your property and stop the Government from taking your rights.

Evan Nappen 01:38

And these battles, if you will, can take place under different legal proceedings. New Jersey has quite a

number of ways. One can be via a weapon forfeiture hearing after a domestic violence seizure. Another

can be what’s commonly known as Red Flag, but in New Jersey it’s an ERPO, an Extreme Risk

Protection Order, seizure and then you fight to get your guns back. Another is the so-called duty to

warn where any medical professional, even nurses, social service, social workers. I mean, just to list

ridiculous. They have an obligation to call the police if you make any statement to harm yourself or

others. Even if it’s just a hyperbolic statement, or, you know, oh my god, had such a bad day, I could kill

myself, or kill that guy, or whatever. Even though you didn’t actually mean. It doesn’t matter. It’s like

making a bomb joke at the airport. Police come and take your guns. Now you get up to fight to get them

back. They can also be seized pursuant to a search warrant where there’s alleged criminal activity, and

whether there is or isn’t, it doesn’t matter. They get the warrant, and they take it. I’ve seen it even where

the guns are just taken with no actual statutory authority whatsoever. They’ll just say, oh, it was a

Page – 1 – of 11“community caretaking” function, for the safety of the public. You know, just some BS reason. But still,

you’ll have to fight to get your rights back.

Evan Nappen 02:59

And under New Jersey’s licensing law, they can bring a motion at any time to revoke your licenses. So,

they usually throw that into the mix – the revocation of your Firearms ID Card, Carry Permit, pistol

purchase permits, whatever you have. They’ll move to revoke them, and the battle is on for your rights

and for your property. And what I want to do here is outline important things that you should think about

and do in order to put yourself in the best possible position when it comes to fighting these types of

actions in court. So, number one, you should be a member of a gun club. Being a member of multiple

clubs, organizations, etc., that are sportsman organizations, is important, along with a gun range.

Because by being a member of a club, a range, a group, an organization, it shows that your purpose

was to partake in the shooting sports. You were a Club Member. You had these firearms for this

reason, although that’s not a requirement in law. Because you’re allowed to have guns for any lawful

reason you wish. But in the fight, we have to be able to present that you had it and that you were a

member of these organizations or groups or clubs. A gun club can be very helpful in painting the factual

picture about you to get your firearms and your rights returned.

Evan Nappen 04:26

The other thing is how the guns were stored. So, your firearms should be stored in a gun safe.

Nowadays, gun safes are easily acquired, and you can have a wide price range of gun safes. I mean,

you can get a so-called gun safe that’s more of a gun locker, but it’s steel. It locks, and even that is a

security cabinet for guns. It’s better than not having anything. If your guns were secured in a gun safe,

that’s yet another thing to show that you were safely storing your firearms, and only you should have

access to those guns. Not your wife. Nobody else in your household. It’s your guns. It’s your gun safe

and only you had access. And this way we can put that forward. Only you had access to your guns, and

they were safely stored. Again, painting you in a great light. Is it required to have a gun safe? No. The

only thing required under New Jersey is that you don’t allow a minor to access a loaded firearm. But if

you want to increase your chances and paint the picture that needs to be painted to show just how

responsible a person you are, you want to have a gun safe.

Evan Nappen 05:35

And don’t stop there. You should have an alarm system. It’s very reasonable these days, with Ring

system and others to have an alarm. Particularly with Ring, you can have cameras for security. We can

talk about how your home and/or the gun room was secured with cameras and with an alarm and a

safe. And that kind of thing, again, presents very well on your behalf, when we’re arguing that you’re not

a danger to public health, safety, and welfare. You’re a responsible gun owner. So, those things are

good. Plus, with cameras and with that kind of protection, if your guns are seized, often there can be a

recording of what’s taken. So, if something disappears, we have proof that it was seized because it was

actually recorded in terms of the seizure. That can be very helpful as well. So, think about that.

Evan Nappen 06:32

The other thing you want to do is you want to make a list, a private list for yourself, of your guns, with

serial numbers, descriptions, photos, if possible. Because when the guns are taken, condition can

Page – 2 – of 11become a question. Guns can vanish, disappear, or not appear on property lists. All kinds of

shenanigans can take place. Sometimes it’s negligence. Sometimes it’s intentional theft. Who knows?

I’ve had theft cases by law enforcement. I’ve had negligent cases where property was lost, and having

that list with descriptions is great. It’s proof of what you had and what we want back. But you don’t want

to store that list in the safe. You want to keep it in a safe, secure place, other than with your guns. You

could have it as a printed list hidden somewhere or hidden in your computer. If you do have it in your

computer, make sure you have a hard copy somewhere else as well, hidden, or at least the data on a

thumb drive somewhere. Because often computers themselves get taken by the Government, and then

you won’t be able to access the very documents that you need.

Evan Nappen 07:41

Try to have your ammunition stored separately, not necessarily in the gun safe. If you have a separate

locked container for ammo, again, it will present you as very responsible. You want to make sure that

the ammunition is stored safely. I once had a case where a guy had pallets of ammo, which are

perfectly legal, and they were stored next to the heater of the house, which was stupid. So, you don’t

want to be that guy. Have your ammo. Have it stored, have it locked. Have it stored safely in a cool, dry

place where it’s not subject to any kind of creation of danger that could show you as being

irresponsible.

Evan Nappen 08:21

If you have anything in your background that you can get rid of, criminal charges that did not result in

conviction, criminal charges that do not necessarily, in any way, disqualify you per se, let’s face it.

You’re a convicted felon. You can’t have any guns at all. But if you had certain misdemeanor charges,

dismissed charges, anything like that. They just give you a criminal record of arrest, criminal record of

charges, you’d be able to get those things expunged. And I would highly suggest that if you can clear

your record, you want to have a clean and clear record, regardless of whether the offenses there are

actual disqualifiers or not. Now, if you have an actual disqualifier, like a felony, then by getting an

expungement, you can actually restore your rights and not have that be a disqualifier. And you can own

guns again, at least not having that being a disqualifier. But even if you don’t have a per se disqualifier

but you have a record, by getting it expunged that will erase it, remove it, and present you in even a

much better light. With an expungement, the prior matters that expunge are deemed not to have

occurred by law, and the databases are scrubbed so it doesn’t come up. And this way you are squeaky

clean in your background.

Evan Nappen 09:39

Also, try to have boxes or cases or gun sleeves. Make sure you have enough containers or sleeves for

your guns should they be taken. Because if you can get the guns, at least with some of those silicone

sock sleeves or in gun cases or even the original boxes, evidence rooms are notoriously bad. They pile

guns one on top of each other. I’ve seen the most disgusting, just nauseating scenes where there’s a

milk carton. You know, one of the plastic milk cartons with just handguns piled one on top of another in

a milk carton. Metal to metal. Just a pile of them. And when we were retrieving the property, the

evidence officer brought the milk crate and just slams it down on the cabinet with all the guns in it

banging against each other. Oh, my God. I’ve seen long arms stored.

Page – 3 – of 11Teddy Nappen 10:42

My favorite one was the Theodore Roosevelt rifle.

Evan Nappen 10:45

Oh, wait, I’ll hold that. I’ve seen rifles stored uncased, barrel down in circular barrels, you know, crash

barrels. Just all of them banging against each other. I mean, it’s just. Look some evidence rooms are

very professional. Others are a nightmare. If you can have a way to have your guns cased in boxes, or

at least in sleeves, it’ll help protect them and also keep them from getting rusty. It’s not like these

evidence rooms are climate controlled, or anything like that. So, this way, when we get your guns back,

hopefully they’re in good condition, you know, and this can help protect on that. Yeah, Teddy, you’re

right. I’ve had gun seized that were incredibly valuable. I had a client once who had a gun that was

given by Theodore Roosevelt to one of his cabinet members, and it was destroyed, supposedly

destroyed. A gun from the Custer’s last stand that was an Indian capture was supposedly sent to the

crusher. Luckily, my client had proofs of these guns that were taken and what they were. The

Government ended up paying, you know, a lot of money, big money, for the destruction, wrongful

destruction, of the property that we were able to prove belonged to the client and were seized.

Evan Nappen 12:20

If you are subject to police with lawful basis to take your guns, such as a warrant, such as a Red Flag,

TERPO, that normally has a warrant as part of it, or a Temporary Restraining Order domestic violence

that normally has the warrant as part of it. If they have the correct legal process and they’re authorized

to take your guns, then the best thing to do there is to open your gun safe and let them do their job. Not

opening the safe will only lead to your safe being destroyed and property possibly damaged in the

opening of a safe. You might even be charged with resisting or something along those lines. You’re

way better off if they’re legal to take it, to let them take it. Then we’re going to fight to get them all

returned and come back to you. I’ve had cases where the entire gun safe was taken. I mean, a

Browning pro steel full of guns removed with a forklift and taken to the police station. No joke. We’ve

seen destruction of the safes, cut open with various tools, just destroyed beyond recognition. All those

kind of things. You don’t need that. Just if they’re authorized to take the firearms, your best bet is to let

them. Now, just because you do that, it doesn’t mean you make any statements. It doesn’t mean you try

to explain anything. But if they’re authorized to take them, cooperate to the extent that that the warrant

requires. But other than that, when it comes to making statements or talking to the officer, just say you

want to speak to your attorney. You have nothing to say, and get a hold of your attorney right away.

Your attorney can act as a shield, a shield between you and the Government. That’s important.

Evan Nappen 14:12

When you store your firearms, make sure that you don’t have any third party access. In other words,

your wife, your kids, no one else should be able to access your guns. And if they’re stored in a way

where third parties could access them, number one, that’s something they could draw against you as a

bad thing you were doing by not securing them from third party access. Additionally, if police come to

take guns and they’re fully accessible, then you lose any control over that situation to make sure that

the guns are properly accounted for and taken in an orderly and legal way. So, you don’t want to ever

have third party access to your firearms. Make sure when you have your firearms no one else can

access them.

Page – 4 – of 11Evan Nappen 15:04

You know, a lot of gun collectors love to have historical items, particularly military history. I, too, love

military history. I love it. And you know, part of military history is having relics that belong to those who

we defeated. Simply because I may have items from Imperial Japan does not mean I’m an imperialist of

Japan, and simply because I may have memorabilia from the Third Reich, in no way means that I’m a

Nazi or have any sympathies. As a matter of fact, just the opposite. As the famous line in the Raiders of

the Lost Ark, when Harrison Ford said, I hate Nazis. I join in that sentiment. But that doesn’t mean that I

don’t appreciate military items of all sides in World War II. If we ignore our history, then if it’s not going

to be repeated, as Mark Twain said, it will rhyme, and it’s important to have that. But do not leave

material like that on display by your guns. I’ve had cases where, of course, the state goes off on an

entire rampage that in the seizure of guns, the person had Third Reich items on display or any other

political historical group that they want to demonize at that time to place that upon you. So, be careful

with that.

Evan Nappen 16:52

Also don’t have any signs that jokingly refer to violence. Like, don’t have the sign, “Trespassers will be

shot, survivors will be riddled.” You know, stupid things like that. You don’t want those signs there.

Because I guarantee you that when they take pictures and they present evidence, they’ll have one

standalone picture of that stupid sign to try and show that you are a violent person who is inclined to

wanting to shoot and riddle individuals who trespass and survive the initial encounter. So, that’s just

one type of example. You’ve got to be smart about these things. If you take these steps to preempt and

insulate yourself and should you become a victim of New Jersey gun rights suppression, these things

will give you the best opportunity in fighting to regain your property and your rights.

Evan Nappen 18:05

As I said, belonging to a gun club is one of the great things you could do, and I can give you a high

recommendation to belong to WeShoot. WeShoot is a gun range in Lakewood, New Jersey, and you

can become a member of that gun range. You can participate in shooting activities and get training, and

by simply being a member, it immediately gives more credibility to who you are and what you’re about.

And those things can make a difference when we’re arguing for your case. So, WeShoot also offers you

all the fun of belonging to a range, having a great facility, having a great pro shop, being able to rent

and try guns, being able to get the training that you need. They are full service. And it is quite a

resource right there in Lakewood, easily off the Parkway. It’s where Teddy and I shoot. We have our

credentials. You should have your credentials. Check out at weshootusa.com. It’s a beautiful website

with wonderful photos. And join the WeShoot family.

Evan Nappen 19:15

Another organization you can be part of is the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are

the number one gun rights advocate in the state. And, of course, by being a member as well, you can

access, and will be able to access all of the great work that the Association is doing. Now, remember,

the Association is actually an umbrella organization of gun clubs, but they also have individual

members. They hold shooting matches, NRA sanctioned matches, and you can participate and be a

member of the Association and do target shooting matches. And if you get a range membership from

Page – 5 – of 11them, you’re now a member of one of the largest gun clubs in New Jersey, with the outdoor range up at

Cherry Ridge. A beautiful range where you shoot against the mountainside. It’s gorgeous up there.

They have a great clubhouse, and they do great work. And this, too, can add to your credentials to

show you’re a law-abiding concerned citizen about your rights. And depending on what you may be

experiencing, you may be able to be assisted even by the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol

Clubs. So, join anjrpc.org today and become part of the solution.

Evan Nappen 20:37

I also would highly suggest that you buy my book, New Jersey Gun Law. It is the Bible of New Jersey

gun law. It’s over 500 pages with 120 topics, all in a question and answer format. It is your guidebook to

surviving in New Jersey. I explain all the different forfeitures in there. And these things Jersey does in

great detail, so you’ll know the game. You’ll understand how it works, and that, too, can protect you,

because you’ll know how they operate and what you need to do to protect yourself in this environment

that we call this Democratic People’s Republic of New Jersey. And there’s a reason for that, because of

the anti-gun agenda, the anti-gun rights agenda, the agenda of suppression that is placed upon gun

owners in New Jersey. You need to protect yourself, and you need to use knowledge in doing so. So,

pick up a copy of my book, New Jersey Gun Law. Go to EvanNappen.com, EvanNappen.com, and

you’ll see the big orange book. Click it and get your copy today. When you get the book, scan the QR

code on the front cover and join my free subscriber base. You’ll be able to immediately access the 2025

Comprehensive Update, where I’ve done chapter updates, including a standalone chapter on “sensitive

places” where you can and can’t carry. Plus, you’ll get notice of any law changes in New Jersey. So,

your book will stay current. Get my book, folks. It’s my labor of love, and it will help protect you, and

that’s what I care about. I don’t want to see any New Jerseyan become a victim of New Jersey’s gun

rights suppression. So, Teddy, what do you have for us today in Press Checks?

Teddy Nappen 22:28

Oh, as we know, Press Checks are always free. And it was actually pretty funny. One of my friends

sent me an April Fool’s video as a joke. But it kind of inspired something, and we got into a long

conversation. So, this is from TheToughestBeat.com, where the Pinal County Sheriff launched a

gunsmith certification program for inmates. (https://thetoughestbeat.com/inside-the-inmate-

gunsmithing-program/)

Evan Nappen 22:58

Oh, they’re going to give gunsmithing to those in jail, inmates. Well, that’s a great idea, actually. I’m

sure you know about one of the most famous inmates who ever made a gun.

Teddy Nappen 23:13

Carbine Williams.

Evan Nappen 23:14

That’s right. And he did it while he was in prison.

Page – 6 – of 11Evan Nappen 23:17

Yeah, he played him in the one of the greatest movies. I love it. If you’ve never seen Carbine Williams

played by Jimmy Stewart, you will love it, and it’s a true story. ()

Teddy Nappen 23:18

Also known as Jimmy Stewart.

Evan Nappen 23:21

For a pal.

Evan Nappen 23:34

Haha ha. Jimmy Stewart there did a great job, and this is an amazing story. Carbine Williams helped to

win World War II with his invention of the mechanism of the beloved M1 Carbine. It was his design as

an imprisoned felon where he was allowed to make a firearm in prison that became instrumental in us

fighting the Nazis and others, by the way. What else did you uncover about Carbine Williams?

Teddy Nappen 24:17

Well, I will give North Carolina credit. They do honor him with a full history and breakdown.

(https://northcarolinahistory.org/encyclopedia/david-carbine-williams-1900-1975/) So, yes, he was

honored to be the creator of the M1 Carbine. General Douglas MacArthur praised the M1 Carbine as

one of the strongest contributing factors to our victory in the Pacific. So, you can see value. Kind of just

a little brief history. Carbine Williams got in the moonshine trade, you know, liquor in the 1920s, and he

unfortunately ended up in a shootout where law enforcement arrested him at one of his stills and one of

the sheriffs had died. Now, it was never proven whether or not he killed that sheriff or one of the others,

but he was found guilty. He was.

Evan Nappen 25:04

Essentially felony murder.

Teddy Nappen 25:14

Yeah, second degree murder of Deputy Sheriff Pace. Then he was brought to the prison and go to

here, where it was very interesting. So, in the movie, he makes one rifle. It turns out he was allowed to

make four.

Evan Nappen 25:31

Four? He could, like, arm other inmates even, holy crap. That’s pretty good.

Evan Nappen 25:35

I wonder if they have a museum there for him? That would be really cool. I wonder if they do.

Teddy Nappen 25:35

Yeah. So, while serving his sentence in a labor camp of Topton in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North

Carolina, while supervised by Captain Harry Thomas Peoples.

Page – 7 – of 11Teddy Nappen 25:50

They do have. I did see this very cool plaque that they have honoring him. Giving, like, even naming,

imagine walking and seeing this, Carbine Williams, the inventor of the M1 Garand, died here. Like,

that’s, it’s how they.

Evan Nappen 26:01

You know, I have his book. Carbine. It was signed by him. I think I showed that to you, Teddy. It’s

actually signed by Carbine Williams. Yeah, it’s pretty cool. Well, it’s an amazing American story. So, is

this real? Is this? Are they actually offering gunsmithing in jails, now? Is that a real thing?

Teddy Nappen 26:02

No, it wasn’t.

Evan Nappen 26:19

Oh, man.

Teddy Nappen 26:21

I know, right?

Evan Nappen 26:22

Come on, that’s a great idea.

Teddy Nappen 26:24

It would have been honestly.

Evan Nappen 26:26

Because, look, if inmates actually learn a trade of gunsmithing, then when they get out, even though

they may be felons, that will actually be of help to them in getting a Relief from Disabilities federally, so

they can pursue the trade that they learned in prison, which deals with guns. So, it could actually have

a double win for folks. But I guess they don’t want felons learning gunsmithing, huh?

Teddy Nappen 26:52

No, instead, they want to give degrees for Gender Studies and, you know, affirmative action.

Evan Nappen 26:58

Well in prison, I don’t know if that’ll help us win World War III or not, but.

Teddy Nappen 27:06

Probably not. So, maybe some degrees in drones.

Evan Nappen 27:10

Yeah. Well, you know, the Carbine Williams story and movie is really an amazing story, but I love M1

carbines. They are magnificently historical. They’re wonderful collectibles, and they just speak World

Page – 8 – of 11War Two. They are just the pride of America. And, of course, New Jersey bans them as the assault

firearms.

Teddy Nappen 27:33

Of course.

Evan Nappen 27:38

Period, end of story. So, they’re unlawful to possess in New Jersey. Even though a straight stock Mini-

14 is legal, you can’t have an M1 Carbine. I mean, it just makes so much sense. None of it should be

banned. It’s outrageous. At one point, the U.S. Government was selling M1 Carbines direct to your door

through the DCM. the DCM Carbines. They’d mail it right to your door. And they were doing it to

promote marksmanship through the Division of Civilian Marksmanship.

Teddy Nappen 28:13

And every purchase came with a free Rockola jukebox.

Evan Nappen 28:18

Well, Rockola Jukebox company was one of the makers of World War Two Carbines. So was IBM, the

computer company. So was postal meter that made postal meters. So was Inland Division, which was

that of General Motors. So, the wartime production, you know, that’s just to name some of them,

converted to arms manufacturing and made what essentially was the design of a convicted felon to

make those guns. Pretty good.

Teddy Nappen 28:47

It would actually be kind of interesting if we ever got to that point and you ended up, like, a Google AR.

Like, if it ever got that bad to a degree where we needed that much manufacturing.

Evan Nappen 29:03

Hmm, well, hey, it’s interesting. Well, too bad that was just a joke. But I bet there may be some prisons

that might actually consider doing this. I mean, if it’s done under relatively controlled circumstances, as

it was with Carbine Williams, then it’s just guns. And of course, the attitude about firearms was different

in those days. There was not the organized effort to demonize them and to make firearms intrinsically

evil, somehow. And unfortunately, you know, the anti-gun rights folks, the gun rights suppressionists,

have waged this propaganda war that has made inroads in America’s attitudes toward firearms, thereby

harming our rights.

Teddy Nappen 29:58

I will say, from my research. This was from USCarbineCal30.com.

(http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/williams3.html) They did a whole write up where they actually show the

rifles that he made. They were all semi-automatic. The first one he did was a .22 rimfire using the

loading chamber design, which also served as a short stoke gas piston impacted the face of the bolt

when operating the action. The second one, which I thought was kind of cool, he actually based it off of

the Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle. That was the one he built.

Page – 9 – of 11Evan Nappen 30:35

You know, to some degree, Kalashnikov also took some of the design elements of the Remington

Model 8, by the way, too. If you look at the safety of the Kalashnikov and then look at the Model 8

safety, I think you’ll see the similarities. So, yeah, well, gun design is important, and it evolves. But I’ll

tell you, in the gun right suppressionist countries that have succeeded in disarming their sheeple, we

were talking about the machete ban in Australia, land of sheeple there, that where that’s taking place.

Well, I have a letter here from Mike who says, Evan, I just saw this article on machete. I just listened to

your most recent podcast, and now I see Germany is on the same path as Australia.

(https://www.infowars.com/posts/german-police-union-fumes-as-machetes-go-on-sale-in-berlin-

supermarket-despite-79-knife-crimes-daily) You are correct. Maybe it’s time to stock up on machetes.

To be honest, I can’t believe compound bows don’t require a purchase permit. Hey, you never know.

Never put anything past New Jersey. I once had a case where my client was charged under a town

ordinance for shooting his bow and arrow. The town did not have an ordinance against shooting bows

and arrows, only against firearms, but they charged him with shooting a firearm, to wit a bow and arrow.

And so, my question is, what do you have a string gun? I mean, what is this? It’s not a firearm, and it

was absolutely a false arrest. He actually later sued them over it successfully.

Evan Nappen 32:14

But I have another letter here from Bill. This is a short one, but I feel I should read it. It says, Bill,

regarding Gun Lawyer show 6-1-25. Great show, gentlemen. Very informative, especially regarding

federal law regarding toy guns. Well, thank you, Bill. That was simply a compliment, which I’m happy to

boost my ego by reading to you folks. So, thanks. Thanks again, Bill. I really appreciate that you guys

listen, and you gals listen. It means a lot, because I really want you to be protected and not become a

victim. I want to see you remain defenders of both yourself, your family, your loved ones and our rights.

It’s critical for that.

Evan Nappen 32:58

Well, we have now come to one of our favorite segments of the show, which is the GOFU, that is the

Gun Owner Fuck Up. And the reason we look at GOFUs is because they are expensive mistakes made

by law- abiding citizens normally, that costs them a lot in their rights and money and potential freedom,

and you get to learn from their mistakes for free. So, this week’s GOFU concerns an actual case that

I’m aware of where this individual unfortunately had his very young daughter, less than 10 years old,

say stupid things in school. We’re talking about, you know, a very young child who got into an argument

with some kid or whatever, and she said, you know, my daddy has a gun and will shoot you. Something

along those lines. Well, that’s all you need. Because next thing you know, the school’s on it, and the

police get involved and everything falls. You know they’re dangerous. Access to guns just explodes and

escalates into seizure of the father’s guns and having to fight to get them back. And allegations across

the board over any type of danger, etc.

Evan Nappen 34:24

So, the GOFU here is, frankly, you have to tell your kids. You have to tell your kids never, ever mention

that your family, your household, your father, your mother, your brother, anybody else, has firearms, or

that the family owns firearms. And never threaten about the ownership of firearms. You must instill in

your kids not to talk about guns in school. And particularly guns that may exist in your household. I’ve

Page – 10 – of 11seen this GOFU over and over again. Kids get a picture of a gun, even when mom or dad was showing

them their gun, and legally, lawfully shooting the gun with their child is allowed, and a picture is taken

even just of the gun, and next thing you know, that’s being text around and viewed as a threat. Or

whether there’s any kind of statements being made about gun possession, etc. They’re hyper, and they

have an agenda. This plays into the agenda of the state. So, make sure you explain to your loved ones.

Never talk about firearms that you or any family member has and never make any threats in any way of

harm to anybody, especially threats of harm with a firearm.

Evan Nappen 35:55

This is Evan and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from

criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

Speaker 2 36:05

Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by

Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and

opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state.

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Downloadable PDF TranscriptGun Lawyer S3 E241_Transcript About The HostEvan Nappen, Esq.

Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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