Episode 236-Desperate Democrats go for Assault Weapons Ban Also Available OnSearchable Podcast TranscriptGun Lawyer– Episode 236

SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Gun control, Second Amendment, assault weapons ban, semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic pistols, detachable magazines, pistol grip, forward grip, grenade launcher, barrel shroud, threaded barrel, large capacity magazines, ghost gun ban, private transfers, gun safety legislation.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen, Speaker 2, Teddy Nappen

EvanNappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen.

EvanNappen 00:17
And welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, the desperate Democrats, who can’t seem to find an issue to rally around, and they constantly are taking the 80/20. They always take the 20 when they’re going after their political stands, and they’re in major disarray. So, the last desperate move that you always see politically is to go for gun control. That’s what they’ll call it. Gun control. But they don’t call it that. That’s actually an old term. Now they like to call it “gun safety legislation”, or some other garbage.

Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen.

Teddy Nappen 01:07 “Gun violence prevention.”

EvanNappen 01:09
Gun violence prevention. Right. Perfect. So, their new assault weapon ban, that’s what they’re calling it. The “Assault Weapons Ban of 2025” has been filed. (No bill number has been assigned.) (https://www.schiff.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/OLL25450.pdf) And this is their new rallying call. Now, of course, the odds of this passing are very, very slim. However, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be vigilant. We must be vigilant. You must be aware of what they’re planning to do. It shows you how much they want to oppress our Second Amendment rights. This bill is an atrocity, and hopefully, it will never, ever become law. But obviously this is their political move. And of course, they’re having issues over there at the DNC. The appointment of David Hogg, which we’ve talked about before. You know, whose entire claim to fame.

Teddy Nappen 02:17
James Carville and him just had a sparring. It was pretty funny.

EvanNappen 02:20

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Exactly. And so they want to get rid of Hogg over his politics of trying to primary in the Democrat Party, picking and choosing those he wants to primary. So, they want to kick him out. Of course, they want cover that they’re not abandoning their Second Amendment oppression. They’re not abandoning that. They just don’t like David Hogg, but then again, who does? But this is all part of the plan. But when you see this bill, which I want to tell you about its elements, it lays out just how far they’re willing to go federally, and this will affect New Jersey gun owners. Because although you may say, hey, New Jersey has an assault firearm ban, guns that are legal in New Jersey will become banned under this federal bill. I’m going to explain to you why, and some of the other little fun things that are in this piece of garbage.

EvanNappen 03:30
Let’s jump right into it. So, the bill that has the names of Senator (Adam) Schiff, Mr. Murphy, not Governor Murphy, but Senator (Chris) Murphy, Senator (Richard) Blumenthal and Senator (Alex) Padilla. They’re the four oppressionists that have filed this bill. And what it says is this. It is going after, of course, semi-automatic shotguns, semi-automatic rifles, semi-automatic pistols and more. So, when it comes to a semi-automatic rifle, first, they’re setting out a general criteria ban, where it’s going to go by feature. But they also have a list we’re going to talk about. So, they’re combining all kinds of bans to make it very difficult to understand. But we’ll try here to do our best.

EvanNappen 04:33
Now, the semi-automatic rifles that are banned, if it has a capacity to accept a detachable ammunition feeding device. Basically, a magazine. Has any one of the following features, not two. Remember, even New Jersey allows you to have one, but you can’t have more than one. The federal bill eliminates even having one of the following, ready? A pistol grip, a forward grip, a folding, telescoping or detachable stock,. Detachable stock, they’re now adding. Do you believe that? I mean, I can detach just about any stock if you have a screwdriver. What? Are you kidding me? Or a stock that is otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension. So, if you have a gun that you adjust for smaller folks or larger folks, and it’s adjustable, or a target gun that adjusts, oh, well, too bad. That’s banned, too. Or otherwise enhances concealability. So, anything that makes the stock smaller.

Teddy Nappen 05:49
I was just going to say, what if you wanted to add a pad to the stock? Wouldn’t that be shortening or lengthening?

EvanNappen 05:55
Or removing or cutting. Yeah, who knows? A grenade launcher. Okay? I mean, I know a lot of you go out grenade launching on the weekend, so that may be a problem. A barrel shroud, the classic barrel shroud, that they don’t even know what it is. You know, that’s the classic a “shoulder thingy” that goes up, right? Yeah. Or a threaded barrel. So, if your detachable magazine rifle has any one of those features, it becomes banned under this federal bill. Also, any semi-automatic rifle that has a fixed magazine capacity of over 10 rounds. But they exempt tube fed .22s because they learned their lesson in New Jersey with banning tube fed .22s, which was such an embarrassment that even these oppressionists aren’t willing to risk that. Any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment,

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or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire . . . Anything. That could be a bump stock, a crank, you name it. If it accelerates, a binary trigger, you name it. That now becomes a problem, and it is itself falling under a definition of being a banned item.

EvanNappen 07:26
A semi-automatic pistol that has an ammunition feeding device that is not a fixed mag. So, any handgun that uses a detachable mag. And has any one of the following features: a threaded barrel. So, if you have any semi-automatic handgun with a threaded barrel, that makes it unlawful under federal law. A second pistol grip, a barrel shroud, the capacity to accept an ammunition feeding device, meaning a magazine, at some other location outside the pistol grip. And it doesn’t mean that it has to function. But if it accepts the extra mag in the stock or on a forward grip, or anywhere anywhere else, then that one feature prohibits it. A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm. Any semi-auto handgun that uses a detachable mag that has a weight of 50 ounces or more. And any semi-auto handgun with a buffer tube. So, that’s all the AR pistols. A stabilizing brace. So, there’s a brace ban built into this bill.

EvanNappen 08:59
Then they go on to say, anything that’s designed or redesigned to allow or facilitate a firearm to be fired from the shoulder. So, anything that in any way makes that particular handgun have the ability to fire from the shoulder. A semi-automatic pistol that has a fixed magazine over 10 rounds. I think CalTech makes a model like that. Any semi-automatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable mag or a fixed ammunition mag. Either one now. Detachable or fixed. That has the capacity to accept more than five rounds. And, of course, there are many semi-auto shotguns that use the smaller shot shells. The small mini-shot shells that will increase the capacity of those shotguns that are using just standard two and three quarter inch shells. Well, the 1.75 inch mini shells will now increase that capacity and make all those semi-auto shotguns prohibited or.

Teddy Nappen 10:24
Just, yeah, just to kind of go back, thinking along, like anything designed to facilitate the fire for the bit where it said about it can take an extra mag. Isn’t there a thing that you can clip another mag to the mag on the side? So kind of, I forget what the term is, where you can rotate the mag. Would that be considered it?

EvanNappen 10:47
Well, there are some. The classic is to take two mags and just tape them together.

Teddy Nappen 10:52 Y eah.

EvanNappen 10:52
And with those taped together. Well, this says the device, the mag, has to have the capacity. So, maybe two separate ones, but we’d have to argue that it has two. You have two. It doesn’t fire continuously and directly. I don’t know. This is going to be a legal question. But it doesn’t end there. Any semi-automatic shotgun that has any one of the following features as well is prohibited. And that’s

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a folding, telescoping or detachable stock. A pistol grip or a bird’s head grip. Good grief. So, if you have any shotgun with a pistol grip or a bird’s head grip or a forward grip, and they don’t define really well what that means. Or a grenade launcher. I don’t know how many shotguns have grenade launchers. That’s kind of interesting. But, there you go.

EvanNappen 11:48
Then any shotgun with a revolving cylinder. So, now that may open up the the Taurus Rossi. Those revolving cylinder .410s, particularly the smooth bore .410 shotguns. Those have revolving cylinders and would now become assault firearms as well. Then they have a list. Okay, now, as if all that broad prohibition isn’t enough, then they have this laundry list of the following rifles, copies, duplicates, variants or altered facsimiles with the with capability of any such weapons thereof. So, anything like any of the following, and they don’t even have to have the criteria of what I just said. But if it is a copy or a duplicate, or a variant or an altered facsimile of any of the following named guns. Here we go.

Teddy Nappen 12:59
One might say it’s almost exact, would you say?

EvanNappen 13:02
Yeah, right. It’s almost exact. You’re almost exactly, right. All AK types, and the list is all the AKs they could come up with. Including the MAK 90, which is Jersey legal. Izhmash Saiga AK. MAADI AK. Norinco 56S and 84s and Poly Tech AKs. SKS with a detachable mag ability. All AR types. All ARs. Period. All ARs, including the following. AR-10. AR-15. Alexander Arms. Armalite AR 15 22 long rifle carbines. Armalite M15. Barrett REC7. Berreta AR-70. Black Rain. Bushmasters. Chiappas. Colt Match Targets. The Colt Match Target, which is technically one of the guns that New Jersey had created some legality for. CORE Rifle. Daniel Defense M4A1. Devil Dog Arms. Diamondback DB15s. DoubleStar. DPMS Tactical rifles. DSA ZM-4 Carbine. H & K MR556. High Standard HSA-15s. Jesse James Nomad AR-15. Knight’s Armament SR15. Lancer L15. MGI Hydra Series.Mossberg MMR Tactical rifles. Noreen Firearms BN 36. Olympic Arms. POF USA P415. Precision Firearm. Remington R-15. Rhino Arms. Rock River Arms LAR-15. Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles and MCS rifles. Smith & Wesson M&P15. Stag Arms. Sturm Ruger SR556 and AR-556. Uselton Arms Air-Lite M-4 rifles. Windham Weaponry AR rifles. WMD Guns Big Beast. Yankee Hill YMH-15s, they call them. Barrett M107A1. Barrett M82A1s., Beretta CX four storms, Coleco, Liberty series set, may sporters day, woos, fabric nationals. Fals, LA, ours, fncs, l1, A, one, sporters. PS, 90s, scars and Fn, Fs, 2000s feather industries, 18 nines, Galil, ARS, high point carbine, flat out, any high point carbine. HK, 9193 94 PSG, one. HK, USC, iwi tavors, Galil, Ace rifles, Caltech, sub 2000s su 16 and rfbs just banned by name SIG, AMT SIG, P, 57 six, hour, 550s, 550, ones. MC, xs, Springfield armies, Sr, 48 Steyer, Augs, Sturm, Ruger, mini 14, tactical rifle. M dash, 14, slash, 20, CF, all Thompson rifles, including the following, where they then list the M, 1s B, the M, 1100 D, the the, I mean, that’s a T, 1100 D, a t1, 50 D, T, 1b etc, all The Thompson rifles, however, however, it says including the following, but there are also Thompson Center rifles, which you could call a Thompson rifle, that are black powder rifles. So what is a Thompson rifle? It includes the ones you might normally think of as Tommy Gun copies, are thereof, but that is so broad, just flat out saying Thompson rifles, including the following, then humor X, Uzi rifle, Uzi mini carbon. Uzi model A’s, Uzi model B’s, Val met. M, 60 2s, M, 70 1m, 78 vectors, Uzis, Weaver

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arms, Nighthawk and Wilkinson arms, Linda carbine. (https://www.schiff.senate.gov/wp- content/uploads/2025/04/OLL25450.pdf) (Pages 5 thru 10)

EvanNappen 18:09
So, there’s their laundry list. All those guns by name, plus the feature ban, plus the prohibition on those other devices, parts, function. You name it. Then they have all these pistols on a laundry list. Copies, duplicates, variants, and altered facsimiles.

Teddy Nappen 18:32
Before you read the pistol list. Just kind of look, kind of digesting that for a moment. The Sub 2000 Caltech. I could have sworn that was one of the ones that was good for Jersey.

EvanNappen 18:43
Yes, it was good for New Jersey. Many guns here that are good for Jersey will be prohibited under the federal law. Now you need to know that they are grandfathering.

Teddy Nappen 18:56 Oh, that’s nice of them.

EvanNappen 18:57
All these guns. However, they’ve added a little caveat. Any transfer of these guns has to go through a dealer. Period. Throughout the entire United States. So, they want to end private transfers. This is their foot in the door to end all private transfers. Any firearm that falls into this category, sure, it’s grandfathered, but if you want to transfer it to another party, every one of them has to go through a dealer.

EvanNappen 19:31
All these pistols. AK pistols and CZ, scorpions and Draco AKs and HR, CA case and iOS and hell pups and Crink offs and mini Dracos and paps and Yugo Krebs and all AR types, including American spirit and Bush master carbon 15 and Chapel M fours and core rifles and Daniel Defense and double star cooperation, etc, DPMS. James Nomad Olympic arms, they are 15 pistols, Ospreys, MK, eighteens, POF USA, air pistols, rock arm, right? I mean Rock River arms, l, a, r, 15. Pistol, usefulton arms, air light, m4, pistol, Colico pistols, D, S, A, SA, 58 PK, PS and FAL pistols, N, com, MP, five and MP, 45 Heckler and coke model. SP, 89 pistols, all the intra tech, the AB 10s, the tech 22 the tech nines, the DC nines, iwi Galil pistols, Uzi pro pistols, KelTec, PLR pistol, all Mac types, all Mac types, including the Mac 10, the Mac 11 and the 12. Masterpiece arms, the MPAs and the, you know, the minis, the tacticals, etc, then military arming corporate Ingram M Eleven’s, velocity arms V, Max, six, hour, 556, pistol sites, Specter, pistol, all Thompson types, including the Following, Thompson ta 510, D and Thompson ta five. But all Thompson types, well, what about the Thompson Center single shot pistols that allow from single shot, multi caliber use? They’re all falling under this. Apparently, all Uzi types, including the micro Uzi, then on shotguns again, all the following shotguns, including copies, duplicates, variants and altered facsimiles. Duria, ACON MC, 1980s Dirk elite, fall shotgun, Frankie law 12 and spas, 12 ish, all Ishmael, Sega, twelves, all of them. There are some of those that are okay in Jersey. They’re banned. All of the segas Street Sweepers and striker twelves. All belt fed semi-automatic

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firearms, including Tnw, MT, 2h, B’s and F n, m, 2495. (https://www.schiff.senate.gov/wp- content/uploads/2025/04/OLL25450.pdf) (Pages 10 thru 13)

EvanNappen 22:27
Then any combination of parts from which a firearm described can be assembled and simply a frame or receiver of a rifle or shotgun described above. Just the frame and receiver now falls under it. And, of course, there’s a ban on large capacity magazines over 10 rounds. So, they have just put their entire Christmas list together of gun rights oppression, and this will be their rallying cry.

Teddy Nappen 23:03
For the benefit of the audience. Could you repeat that list again?

EvanNappen 23:06
If anyone wants to repeat it, replay this episode over and over. Okay? No.

Teddy Nappen 23:15
You can just, it’s a good thing to fall asleep to where you just play it and then the background.

EvanNappen 23:18
Except think of how many, literally, millions of firearms this piece of garbage affects. It’s amazing that they would have even the nerve to put it forward, but they have no shame. They have no respect for the Second Amendment. They want to oppress our rights, and this is a great example of how far they’re willing to go. They also make it unlawful for a person to, of course, buy, sell, manufacture any mags after the date. However, mags end up getting grandfathered. So, of course, what this bill tells you is to stock up. Because I think in the next four years, it’s unlikely that we’ll see it, but who knows? And after that, if these oppressionists ever gain power again, you know what they want to do. This is really just an atrocity, and it shows their hatred of us and wanting to turn law-abiding citizens into criminals.

EvanNappen 24:30
Additionally, there’s a section requiring “safe storage”. You have to lock up your guns that fall under this list, even your grandfathered guns. Guns that are grandfathered. You have to keep them locked up unless you’re actually using them, and you can’t let anybody else access them. Then they’re putting in, also, a ban essentially a ghost gun federal ban. They’re sneaking it in. Requiring serial numbers and markings for anything that gets made. So, that if they can show anything made that was done afterwards, it doesn’t have the markings, then they can charge you with that. They’re also going to require that magazines be marked. It is just an atrocity of a bill. This is what the Democrats are trying to do now to divert from their utter failure.

Teddy Nappen 25:37 So, just to go back.

EvanNappen 25:39
The public eye. Go ahead, Teddy.

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Teddy Nappen 25:41
There was a word in the bill that you kept repeating. It was “altered facsimile”. So, looking at that phrase. Would that be? So, just the example of like they, you know, is that kind of with Jersey’s original like, they’re, what is it, uh, almost exact. Is that what they’re trying to like?

EvanNappen 25:58
You know, it’s hard to say, but it might also be some influence from the U.K. One of the things that seems to take place more there than here,is taking facsimiles that are model guns or fake guns and somehow making them live. Or if you take a model and use it as a basis to create a firearm. I’m thinking that’s where they’re going with it, but it’s new language that I haven’t seen them use before. So, if you know and have followed what happens with these bans, weirdly, it does become a gun owner enrichment law in a weird way. If you have these guns and then they get banned but they get grandfathered and can still be sold, well, they skyrocket in value. If you lived through the last assault firearm ban, that was a total failure and didn’t do anything about actual crime. God forbid. But what it did do was it made the firearms skyrocket in price, and magazines skyrocket in price. Also, by having a national 10-round ban on mags for semi-auto firearms, it made the smaller, more concealable and more deadly handguns emerge. Because if you’re limited to 10 rounds, well, it may as well be more powerful cartridges. So, it actually had an opposite effect anyway, which is kind of another one of those unintended consequences, or maybe they intended. Who even knows? But.

Teddy Nappen 27:59
I always look back to your quote in Blue Book, where you wrote, if those anti-gunners are going to try to take away our rights, I say, let’s make money off of that.

EvanNappen 28:09
That’s correct. I wrote an article that was, you know, almost tongue in cheek, explaining and showing how the anti-Second Amendment oppression laws actually did enrich gun owners and how it became something that one could, in theory, invest on. Now I’m not saying to do that here, but if these are guns that you want to have, you better get them before this law ever takes place, that’s for sure.

EvanNappen 28:43
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EvanNappen 30:07
So, this is some announcements at WeShoot. And you want to check out WeShoot. It’s a great range. They have a lot of fun down there. It is where Teddy and I both shoot, and you should shoot there, too.

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They offer great courses and your certifications for getting your carry license. And it’s a great family- friendly place where you can enjoy a day of shooting right in Lakewood, New Jersey. Conveniently off the Parkway. Check out WeShoot at weshootusa.com.

EvanNappen 30:48
Let me also mention about the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are the premier gun rights group for New Jersey. They’re an umbrella organization of all the gun clubs, but they want individual members as well. It’s important that you belong. We have power in numbers. The gun rights oppressionists are not giving up. And New Jersey is particularly bad, like I have to tell you. So, the fight is on. Become a part of the state Association, ANJRPC. Go to anjrpc.org. Be part of the solution. They will send you out great emails of alerts. They’ll have easy ability to send messages to the legislators, to the Congress critters and such, letting them know that we’re opposing their gun rights oppression. They have litigation ongoing in federal courts challenging New Jersey’s assault firearm ban, mag ban, and, of course, the Carry Killer law. And what’s very interesting is, while this is all going on, the Supreme Court is still pondering whether to grant certiorari on the assault firearm magazine ban cases. I’m really hoping they take those cases. Because if they take them, I’m confident we will be victorious, and it can finally end this nonsense once and for all in both the states and our country. So, make sure you join the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs.

EvanNappen 32:30
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Teddy Nappen 33:37
Correct. So, as we know Press Checks are always free, and this one comes from The Hill where Adam Schiff joined Senator Chris Murphy and other Democrats to reintroduce the assault weapon ban. (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5274890-democrats-reintroduce-assault-weapons-ban/)

EvanNappen 33:51 Shifty Schiff did it too, huh?

Teddy Nappen 33:52
Yeah, but what I find very hilarious in the article, “The bill has virtually no chance of becoming law . . .” Like they even admit it, like in the article.

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EvanNappen 34:05
Right they admit it now. But why are they doing it, if they know that? Because that’s not its purpose. Its purpose is to soften up people on the ban, to give Democrats something that they can shout from the hilltops about and to give them cover for their soon to be removed David Hogg.

Teddy Nappen 34:25
Yeah, currently, I think their numbers are at like 20 or 25. They’re completely underwater, and they’re just doubling down and choosing all, of course, the worst issue. But whatever. It got me thinking, though, and I know you’ve always talked about this. What was the origins of the assault weapon ban movement? The whole idea of an assault weapon ban? Because you see it in video games and you see it in movies, they always say assault weapon or assault firearm. They always use that term, and it always comes back, like you mentioned, to this individual.

EvanNappen 35:00
Let me say one thing about that term. So, that term is a term that they stole from the Nazis, and they changed what it actually meant. It was the Nazis that developed what was called the Sturmgewehr. The Sturmgewehr, the original assault weapon, was medium caliber, and it was fully automatic and semi- auto. It was machine gun technology in that package. And they purposely took the German Nazi language, because this is how they run, of course. You know, they adopt these things. I mean, the ’68 Gun Control Act, parts of it were taken verbatim from the Nazi gun control.

Teddy Nappen 35:51
Oh, we just saw, who was it? Yeah, the guy who wrote the book, “Gun Control in the Third Reich”. Stephen Halbrook.

EvanNappen 35:58
Yeah, we met him at the NRA convention this weekend. He was there. He has two books on the study of the Nazi gun laws, and you can see even their application here. So, (Josh) Sugarman takes this term and even says in his book, you know what he said? What do you say about this issue? What did he even admit from the beginning? Remember his manifesto, assault weapons and their accessories? That was a manifesto on this issue that established, wait, that established it even before Patrick Purdy shot up that schoolyard, and that’s what gave the ability for them to push this issue. What did he say about it, Teddy?

Teddy Nappen 36:45
Well, his exact quote, which is from the NSSF article where they show his quote, the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons. Anything that looks like a machine gun is presumed to be a machine gun can only increase the chance of public support for restriction on these weapons.

EvanNappen 37:07
So, Sugarman knew he wanted to confuse the public, fool the public. That’s a premise he began with. Let’s con the people. Isn’t that great?

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Teddy Nappen 37:16
Yeah, and what I was leading to with Josh Sugarman, who is, and I love this term, he’s the thought leader of the anti-gun movement. He’s the executive director of Violence Policy Center for more work of Amnesty International. But the kicker. This is what sparked.

EvanNappen 37:42
Law Center, too, I believe.

Teddy Nappen 37:46
What I found from this, but his number one book, this is the one kicker to it all was assault weapons and their accessories. This was written in 1988, and this book is what sparked and created that term. I love the introduction of this. The assault weapons threat is exacerbated by the fact that weapons are difficult to define in legal terms. Legislators and members of the press have proposed placing increased restrictions on all semi automatic firearms, which include some hunting rifles, whether these proposals are merely the result of ignorance of wide variety of firearms that semi automatic or misguided efforts in the face of definitional problems, they only lend credence to the gun lobby argument that restrictions on assault weapons are merely the first step towards banning all semi automatic guns. And that’s the introduction to the book.

EvanNappen 38:40
You know, look how this bill is structured. This bill is structured to sneak in whatever they can and make it as broad as they can. Trying not to walk into the sporting arms, okay? The whole sporting arms. Like the Second Amendment is about duck hunting or something. No.

Teddy Nappen 39:03
Just to give you perspectives, this guy has not mellowed out in the course of the years. I mean, his last book was made in 2001. It’s called “Every Handgun Aimed at You”. The case to ban handguns. So, very much he’s.

EvanNappen 39:19
He also launched the book NRA firepower and fear, and his publicity campaign there was to shut down the ability for people to get their rights restored. And since 1992, good, decent people that should get their rights back haven’t been able to do it. And President Trump is reversing that. We’ve talked about that on the show, and that you can relate to Sugarman. Look, I met Sugarman when he showed up at a pro-gun convention. He was IDd, and he actually spoke to the convention, giving his anti-gun views. So, I give him credit for that. And it was actually very interesting, because he laid out what his plans were and why. He didn’t pull any punches. I’ll credit him there. But this guy is a person who I think fits the definition of closet hoplophobe, right? A hoplosexual, as we call, yes, right? A closet hoplosexual can’t come to grips with his love of guns. So, he has to take it out on everybody else who can freely admit their love of firearms.

EvanNappen 40:30
Those are books by Desert Publications. It used to be Paladin Press.

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Teddy Nappen 40:30
I will say, and this is very funny. In the book, he has a section called accessories, and he starts listing off various books, like how to build silencers an illustrated manual. And he even lists the price of $5.95. I know. Improvised weapon of the American underground, full auto, 12 bucks, anarchist.

Teddy Nappen 41:03
The mini 14 exotic weapon systems, improvised explosives, how to kill volume one through six. Just like I just kept laughing. I’m like, man, dad. So, this is where you got your collection?

Teddy Nappen 41:17
But here is one thing that catches my eye. First thing, fully automatic fire for your AR 15 drop in auto Sears. Now cut to 40 years later, and what are we talking about? What are they trying to ban and what they’re trying to go after? The drivers trigger, Ultimate Trigger activator,

EvanNappen 41:17
What do you think that book’s about? Yeah, I know. I don’t know. Actually, it’s a six volume set. John Minnery. Minnery wrote that, and he was, I think, one of the guys that used to work for some alphabet agency. He puts out every technique of dispatching a person, and there’s a lot of crazy stuff in those books. Including one of my favorites, the electric urinal, where yeah from right and the same. Because urine is a conductor, and if you pee on that hot plate, you get zapped. Yeah, there you go.

EvanNappen 42:19
Right. Yeah, cranks, activators, even binaries. All that gets covered under this bill. Bump stocks, too. Anything that “increases rate of fire”. This is all another one of their boogeyman tactics to oppress our rights, and that’s what we see.

Teddy Nappen 42:41 Some things never change.

EvanNappen 42:42
No, they don’t. Well, let me tell you this week’s GOFU, which is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. These are important, because you get to learn an expensive lesson for free. Now this story I’m going to tell you, and these are actual cases when I tell you, GOFUs. It’s real stuff that’s happened to real people. Now this person just had this happen to them. I’m not going to mention names, but this person was traveling from a state in New England to a Western State. Traveling inside the United States. This person properly declared and checked in their handguns at the airport. It was unloaded in a separate locked TSA-approved container. Declared them. They did everything right, 100%. Traveled appropriately, just like I’ve done many times, Teddy, and you’ve done many times. We travel on airlines lawfully with firearms by following the procedures. That’s exactly what this person did.

EvanNappen 43:58
However, United Airlines sent their bags, by accident, to Canada. To Canada, yeah. And when they got there, customs at Canada, found the bag. They took the guns and destroyed her guns. Then sent the luggage back on its way to where it should have went with empty gun boxes. The guns were taken and

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apparently destroyed. Now confirmation has not been made in writing that they’ve been destroyed, but this is what can happen when you travel with guns. When the bag gets put, accidentally, on an international flight outside the country. Even though you followed the law to a t. So, this is a GOFU on the airlines, but keep that in mind, folks. So, if you’re flying with your guns, I’d be very cautious about flying with any of your high end special firearms. I mean, when we travel, we travel with specific guns that we travel with. We don’t travel with any of the guns that we might be extremely upset about losing. I’m going to be upset about losing any gun. But, yeah, as I’m sure you know, there’s some guns that you would rather not lose versus others, right?

Teddy Nappen 45:49
But, uh, this is actually. You know what this is gonna spark now? The sons of Maxwell need to do a new song. United lost my firearms.

EvanNappen 46:01
Don’t quit your day job, Teddy for singing.

Teddy Nappen 46:04 Yeah, I know.

EvanNappen 46:05
Well, that’s our GOFU. So, beware when you travel in the air. This is Evan and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest gun citizens.

Speaker 2 46:22
Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state.

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Downloadable PDF TranscriptGun Lawyer S3 E236_Transcript About The HostEvan Nappen, Esq.

Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.

As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.

He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.

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