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Episode 230-Trump: Promises Kept
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SUMMARY KEYWORDS
President Trump, federal relief, felons, gun rights, ATF, Department of Justice, Second Amendment, expungement, Charles Schumer, anti-gun propaganda, tariffs, firearm imports, manufacturing, road rage, gun laws.
SPEAKERS
Teddy Nappen, Evan Nappen, Speaker 2
EvanNappen 00:15 I’m Evan Nappen.
Teddy Nappen 00:17 And I’m Teddy Nappen.
EvanNappen 00:19
and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, President Trump has delivered, and it is part of the promises made. He just started the ball and actually went ahead with something that I’ve been waiting 33 years to see happen in the world of gun law. And what Trump has done through his administration is brilliant. I’m going to explain to you how brilliant this is. He has got back and running the Federal Relief from Disabilities Program. This is fantastic news, my friends. You see, federal law, as I’m sure most of you know, bars felons from having guns. It is a firearm disqualifier. Federal law has barred convicted felons from having guns. Yet, in the federal law, in that Title 18, there is a provision where individuals who had felony convictions could get relief from that disability by filing an application with the ATF, who then processes it. If they granted it, you were granted relief from the disqualifying, and your gun rights would be restored, as far as the federal government was concerned.
EvanNappen 02:06
Now, recently, as we talked about on a show, this was brought to light, if you remember, with Mel Gibson, who wanted his gun rights restored. There are plenty of other folks who want them restored, too, and it brought the issue to light. And as you may recall, I was commenting and I said, look, you know, they’re trying to work it through the Attorney General’s office, but this hasn’t been funded since 1992 due to (Senator) Charles Schumer. And I said, they really need to fix the Relief from Disabilities Program and make it available again. And, of course, you have the institutionalized racism issue of the disproportionate number of felons who are minorities. This law would provide the avenue for people who are good people, who had, you know, made their mistake way back, paid the price, paid the debt to society, as they like to say, and now want to regain their Constitutional rights. But had no opportunity to do so. This was particularly evil because you were preventing people from not only being able to protect themselves and then use the most effective means of self-defense, a firearm. But it also denied
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jobs, good jobs, at a disproportionate ratio. Jobs such as law enforcement work, military, security. All these things where a firearm is part of the job.
EvanNappen 03:41
So, this has now changed, and it is so exciting. Because what President Trump did was figure out, in a chess game here, how to overcome this. So, what President Trump did is just great and brilliant. Let me give you a little bit of the history of how this has been a problem and the brilliance about how Trump and his administration have now changed it. You see the Relief from Disabilities Program was good, and it was able to help people. Just like in New Jersey, there’s a thing called expungement. There’s no such thing, though, as a federal expungement. The only way you could get your gun rights back under the federal law, especially if you had a federal conviction or a federal disqualifier, was by way of the Relief from Disabilities law. I used to do these for folks. Prior to 1992, we would do these Relief from Disabilities and help folks regain their rights.
EvanNappen 04:50
Then along comes Josh Sugarman promoting his book NRA: Money, Firepower and Fear. (National Rifle Association: Money, Firepower & Fear) Basically as his promotion of the book, he went and hammered on the Relief from Disabilities, saying, NRA wants felons to have guns. You can’t have all these felons having guns, you see. And, of course, that was just their anti-gun propaganda move to oppress Second Amendment rights. We’re talking about people who have been fully rehabilitated, who have not had any other problems, who are not a danger or a threat, who are now good, productive citizens that want their damn rights back. But you know, the politics took over and (Senator) Charles Schumer and company.
Teddy Nappen 05:41
If I recall, didn’t you actually meet Sugarman, too?
EvanNappen 05:43
Oh yeah, I’ll tell you that. But, yeah, but, yeah. But what happened was. So, what (Senator) Schumer did was he put forward, in an appropriations bill, you know, that fund the government, that that section of the law, that the ATF could no longer use the funds to process these (Relief from Disabilities) applications. That’s how they did it. They stopped the ATF from using one dime, even. No money. They were not allowed to use any money to process Relief from Disabilities applications. And ever since that was done back since 1992, you no longer could get your rights restored. Thirty-three years of people being denied their Second Amendment rights. They could have had them restored but were barred by this action by (Senator) Schumer. It even went through the courts. The U.S. Supreme Court eventually said, look, if it’s not funded, then too bad. There’s nothing else you can do about it. You can’t just go to the courts because ATF won’t process your application. That’s how it’s been since 1992.
EvanNappen 07:09
And what Trump did, what President Trump did, is just brilliant. He put forward a new regulation in the form, at the moment, of interim rule, and what this does is going to end up being a final rule. It completely takes away the ATF power to do these applications, to actually rule on these applications. Because the law, under Title 18, made it so that it was in the power of the Attorney General. Then by
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regulation, it went to the ATF, simply by reg. The Attorney General really has the power under this statute and can, with administrative regulation, not needing Congressional approval or any new law passed, can take that away by way of a new regulation. So, that’s what they’re doing. They’re saying the ATF no longer can process these applications. Now, of course, ATF was barred from processing them prior because they weren’t funded, and because they weren’t funded, ATF could not do anything. (https://thereload.com/trump-administration-moves-to-revive-process-for-restoring-some-convicts-gun- rights/)
EvanNappen 08:42
But now what Trump and his administration is doing is passing a rule that says ATF doesn’t handle these anymore. The Department of Justice will handle them, and the Department of Justice is not restricted in expending monies to process these applications. So, by Trump playing 3D chess, they beat the Schumer amendment. These relief applications, after 33 years, can now proceed. Not only is President Trump doing that, but they are going to be streamlining the process. They are going to be putting together even more regulation to streamline it, to make it more effective and simpler to do. So that these things can happen and happen better than they did 33 years ago. President Trump is delivering on his promises. This is going to help thousands, probably millions of people. No exaggeration. If they want their rights back, this is just great.
EvanNappen 10:10
And what it took was a great president like President Trump, who truly believes and loves the Second Amendment to do this. Because I’m going to tell you, folks, it takes balls to do this. You want to know why? Because it was the lack of balls that allowed this to get defunded in the first place, because of the propaganda. Oh, felons. You want felons to have guns. Yeah! And the politicians at the time, even though (Senator) Schumer put it forward, they folded like a cheap suit and went along with it. Even Republicans went along with it. We needed somebody with the guts to say the truth and to change this so that it’s good people getting their rights restored. Who deserve it, who meet the criteria, who are not a danger, and you know what? All it took was a president who’s a felon himself, just to show you how much garbage there is in the system when it comes to being “a convicted felon.”
Teddy Nappen 11:27
I’d be kind of curious about, kind of looking at the history of it. When did that become a thing? Where, once you serve your time, you are forever a second class citizen?
EvanNappen 11:37
Well, Teddy, that’s a good question. I’ll tell you. It originally was only violent felons. Going way back where even, you know, in common law that you could say a violent felon could have their rights taken away. But what happened was it evolved to not just violent felons, but any felon. Then it evolved further into domestic violence misdemeanors. For the first time in the history, a misdemeanor conviction became a firearm disqualifier if it was involving domestic violence. And that’s what Mel Gibson lost his gun rights about. And the thing Trump has done now will allow Gibson to get his rights restored, even with a misdemeanor.
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EvanNappen 12:30
You know, the funny thing is, there are, for example, I believe in Montana, they have a law that says, once you serve your time, all your rights are automatically restored, because they have a Western attitude. You know, the West, where sometimes good guys become bad guys. And sometimes bad guys become good guys. But when you serve your time, your rights are all restored. You don’t stay a second class citizen. But that’s not how it is under the federal law. The federal law has the prohibition on felons, and the way to get rights relieved has not been possible for 33 years. Now, with President Trump, it will again be available. Look, if anyone out there has a friend or knows anyone who has a federal felony conviction or other disqualifier, I’ll be able to help them. As an attorney, I’ll be able to get your rights restored now, and you can again exercise your Second Amendment rights. It is a great day. I am just thrilled that President Trump has taken this action, and I know this is just the beginning of what he’s going to do. It’s really just the start.
EvanNappen 13:51
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EvanNappen 15:28
I also want to mention our good friends of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. They are the umbrella organization for gun rights in New Jersey. They have clubs, all the gun clubs, ranges, etc., that belong to give an umbrella organization uniting our Sportsman’s clubs, gun clubs, ranges, etc. But they also have individual memberships. They also have a beautiful range in Cherry Ridge, and they are running matches there. And they have just, it’s gorgeous. If you ever been to the Cherry Ridge outdoor range up there, you’re shooting to the side of that mountain. Oh, it’s so nice.
EvanNappen 16:17
They are the folks that are there on the front lines defending our gun rights. They have a full-time paid lobbyist in Trenton, and they have the litigation going on in the federal courts as we speak, fighting for our rights. They are the number one gun rights group in New Jersey, and they’re the NRA affiliate. You need to be a member. You really want to be a member. You’re going to get the email alerts. And right now, they’re sending out an alert very shortly. We’re dealing with legislative issues as we speak. We’ve spoken about it on the show, and there’s more updates that they’re sending out. So, make sure you’ve got your membership. Just go to anjrpc.org, and they send you the alert. And it’s real easy so that your voice can be heard. What you need to do is right there. We’ve got to fight these things. It’s a whole
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other onslaught of Murphy bojikas coming down the pike. Watch out, folks. Bad news. You need to be a member of our state association to help fight the Second Amendment oppressionists.
EvanNappen 17:32
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EvanNappen 18:40
Now we have Teddy, who has a really fascinating subject on his Press Check segment. Go right ahead, Teddy. Tell me what you’ve been researching today.
Teddy Nappen 18:55
Well, as we know, Press Checks are always free. And this one, I wanted to kind of, it was a question that kind of came up. As you know, our dear President has been talking about the various tariffs. He’s going through negotiations of trade, and I believe April 1 is when the reciprocal tariffs will kick off for the entire world. And, hopefully, all the countries will, you know, bow down because we are the world economic powerhouse. But one thing that did come into play was, I was thinking, what guns are we importing into the U.S.? Like, what is our, because we have massive amounts of manufacture. I know all the gun makers in the U.S., but I was curious to see who is importing into the U.S.
Teddy Nappen 19:44
So, I went to the U.S. firearms industry today, and sure enough, they had the statistics. And not of 2024 but of 2023. So, for pistols, it was kind of interesting. They had Austria, of course, with Glock. Brazil – Taurus. Germany – HK. Turkey because apparently Mossberg, Soger and Tristar. Those come in as pistols. And then Croatia – HS Product. It’s spelled weird, but those were kind of the top importers coming into the U.S.
EvanNappen 20:27
Croatia is one of the top importers?
Teddy Nappen 20:29
Of the top five, Croatia is the top handgun, handgun, specifically handgun. So, I was looking up Turkey.
EvanNappen 20:38
Turkey also makes the Caniks that are very popular pistols, too. They do a lot of shotguns, too. Turkey.
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Teddy Nappen 20:44
Yeah, I didn’t realize Mossberg was Turkey. I didn’t know that was. I didn’t realize that. Yeah,
EvanNappen 20:49
But Mossberg is bringing, having. They’re in the U.S. They have.
Teddy Nappen 20:54
Correct, they have Turkish and Moss. They have Mossberg in Turkey. And there’s also Stoger.
EvanNappen 20:59 Y eah.
Teddy Nappen 21:00
Turkey as well. And then Tristar, that’s their other one.
EvanNappen 21:03 Oh, yeah.
Teddy Nappen 21:04
Now for rifles, this is very interesting. Brazil, Canada, Spain.
EvanNappen 21:14
Well, there you go. There’s a lot there. Yeah, Canada, I guess they have their firearm industry, well.
Teddy Nappen 21:22
Well, here’s why. Because their big thing is Savage Arms, and they make, specifically, .22 rimfire rifles. And that’s the huge. That’s why they import so many of those .22s into the US.
EvanNappen 21:36
Oh, so those Savages are gonna. So, these guns are going to be affected, arguably, by the tariffs, right? Unless they just make them in the U.S., which we need. We need to have our manufacturing based here.
Teddy Nappen 21:48
Yeah, and the last one I thought, of course, shotguns. Turkey, of course. All the cheap shotguns there. Italy, you know, Benelli.
EvanNappen 21:56
Some really nice guns come out of Italy. Oh, yeah. Oh, they’re going to be even pricier now.
Teddy Nappen 22:00 Y eah.
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EvanNappen 22:01 Until it settles out.
Teddy Nappen 22:02
Yeah, Brazil for Rossi Taurus. China for their Hawk Norinco, apparently. I didn’t know Norinco did shotguns.
EvanNappen 22:12
Well, I don’t know if they’re even, but I thought they were at least restricted on a lot of the firearms that can come in from China. Maybe some sporting.
Teddy Nappen 22:20
I don’t know what other ones they have.
EvanNappen 22:21
I know they can’t bring in SKSs anymore. They used to bring them in by the ton. They were great.
Teddy Nappen 22:26
But they’re marked as like the top shotgun importer, number four. They used to be number three, but I guess a lot of their, a lot of the sanctions stopped them. And then the last one, of course, the U.K. with Purdy and all their high end shotguns.
EvanNappen 22:41
Oh, they probably don’t have that many, but the ones that do come in are very valuable.
Teddy Nappen 22:47
Yeah, once you get past the four, it kind of bottoms out until the numbers. So, the other thing you got to look at, I thought this was hilarious when I was looking at it. First of all, we are the number one exporter of arms. We are like.
EvanNappen 23:04
We’re the number one exporter?
Teddy Nappen 23:07
Yeah. In 2022, from the world popular review, we are the number one exporter. It’s like $14 billion and then Russia is like $2 billion. France is like three, and China’s two. But we are the powerhouse in terms of firearms.
EvanNappen 23:24
Great. So keep it, let’s stay number one.
Teddy Nappen 23:27
Yeah, so I’m not too worried about that now.
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EvanNappen 23:29
Although Mexico isn’t too happy about that, I guess. That’s why they’re suing us over firearms.
Teddy Nappen 23:34
Yeah, and the court was laughing them out of there, so.
EvanNappen 23:38 Y eah.
Teddy Nappen 23:39
But, oh, that was something interesting. So, Mexico, I was just checking to see what they had. They’re not even close. They don’t even crack the list. But the one thing they have. This one company, (Productos) Mendoza, and all they do is .22 rifles. Should we go on their website? (https://www.mendozafa.com/en-us) And I was like, what the heck? And they were, like, marketing, like, they sold.
EvanNappen 24:02
How come our neighbor to the north and our neighbor to the south. Their number one thing is just making 22s.
Teddy Nappen 24:07
I know, and we are rolling up with our gear.
EvanNappen 24:10 Yeah, right.
Teddy Nappen 24:14
It was really funny, too, because I was looking at their website, and they’re like, oh, yeah, we sold arms to Pancho Villa. I’m like, what?
EvanNappen 24:20
Did they really? What? That’s their marketing ploy. We sold to Pancho Villa.
Teddy Nappen 24:33
I was like, it was like, what, all right? I was kind of going through trying to see. So, I wanted to look and see where any firearm tariffs are. So, I actually went to the European Taxation Customs Union, and it’s very interesting. They have all these codes for arms and armaments, and there’s nothing directly on firearms that I could find for the European Union. In China, I couldn’t find, but I imagine they don’t. They probably have restrictions entirely on them, not just tariffs. So, I couldn’t find anything on them in terms of actual tariffs. What I also thought was funny was in the Latina news, Brazil, a few years back, actually removed their tariffs on handgun imports, because, remember Brazil, yeah. (https://www.latinnews.com/component/k2/item/86729-in-brief-brazil-cuts-tariffs-on-handgun-imports- taurus-bristles.html)
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Teddy Nappen 24:33
Well, they were actually going more pro-gun in Brazil.
Teddy Nappen 24:42 Y eah.
EvanNappen 24:55
That’s also the land of Taurus.
Teddy Nappen 25:29
Yeah, and Taurus was actually pissed. They’re actually quoting say Taurus is pissed. It was
Teddy Nappen 25:37 Well, yeah.
Teddy Nappen 25:38 Exactly.
EvanNappen 25:39
Well, but you know, Adam Smith and The Wealth of Nations. The Wealth of Nations is the tools of capital production, right?
Teddy Nappen 25:48 Y eah.
EvanNappen 25:49
You’ve got to manufacture. That’s where the true wealth of a nation is. And we got to get our manufacturing back in our country. So, look, and if you want to have fair trade, sure that’s great. So, let’s make sure it’s fair. If you’re tariffing us, we’re tariffing you. And if you don’t, then we don’t. Then you have true fair trade.
Teddy Nappen 26:07
On the actual point of the, so, the big things for firearms, steel, aluminum and lead. Those are the big three that come into play when it comes to firearm manufacturing. So, Reuters, they had an are breaking down the steel, aluminum. So, in terms of the steel we use, it’s about a quarter is imported. And then Canada, Brazil, Mexico, and then Vietnam. Those are the steel guys, and Canada’s their list of that. In terms of the imports, Canada and Mexico make up about 40%. So, we have a very good steel market. The one issue, though, is aluminum. Half of the aluminum we use is imported, and Canada is our largest import. But luckily, the Aluminum Association actually on their website came out and their President fully thanked Trump for his focus on the trade and building up our aluminum for the industries. ( https://www.aluminum.org/news/strong-trade-enforcement-access-metal-vital-continued- aluminum-industry-growth) So,
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EvanNappen 27:09
We need our independence, too. Why should we be reliant on anyone?
Teddy Nappen 27:12 Exactly.
EvanNappen 27:13
You need aluminum, too, for military manufacture and steel for our military manufacturer of weapons. I mean, we’re vulnerable if we can’t make it ourselves. You know, one of the reasons we won World War II is that we were a manufacturing powerhouse, and we could produce what was needed to win the war. We need to get our manufacturing back. And I’m sure President Trump’s policies are going to make us into a manufacturing nation again.
Teddy Nappen 27:48
I will say, which I thought was very interesting, is we are the second largest lead exporter. That’s $711 million. and like the others, our imports are, like, Canada, 29. UK, France, Spain are very much low, but we are a powerhouse when it comes to lead.
EvanNappen 28:08
So, we get the lead out, huh?
Teddy Nappen 28:10
Yeah, exactly. Oh yeah. When I was trying to find like Turkey for Turkey firearms, there’s like, Turkey shotgun. Like, no, that’s turkey guns.
EvanNappen 28:21
Wow. Well, this is it. This is now, you know, not just with this, with the tariffs, but and it shows how companies will go to places to manufacture where it’s better for the company. So, what President Trump is doing is making it the U.S. much more attractive for companies to make their products here. We have better laws and a bigger market. But it isn’t just international in which that takes place. Right here at home in New Jersey, Henry Repeating Arms has now committed 100% of its operations to Wisconsin. (https://www.guns.com/news/2025/03/18/henry-commits-to-leaving-anti-gun-new-jersey- shifting-to-wisconsin)
EvanNappen 29:05
So, remember, Henry was in Bayonne, New Jersey. Can imagine that? Gun manufacturing in New Jersey. They are now committing 100% of its operations to Wisconsin. So, yet again, New Jersey loses a manufacturer, loses business, loses it over their Second Amendment gun rights oppression, and we have Henry leaving for Wisconsin. Henry is a great company that makes great guns. I love my Henry’s. They are just really great, and it’s a really great company, too. And look, you know what? Who blames them for leaving New Jersey? Absolutely. As a matter of fact, when you would look at a Henry and you’d see Bayonne, New Jersey, it’s almost unbelievable that it was made in Jersey. New Jersey used to have decent gun manufacturers. You had Plainfield Machining in Middlesex. They made M1
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Carbines. And remember, the original Colt factory was in Patterson, New Jersey. Patterson Colt. New Jersey no longer is any kind of state where you’d want to have firearms made. So, actually,
Teddy Nappen 30:27 It reminds me,
EvanNappen 30:27
I’m sure Henry will do fine and do even better in Wisconsin, and I can fully understand.
Teddy Nappen 30:36
Actually, it reminds me. When I was doing the research, there’s a Colt Canada. (https://www.coltcanada.com/) They actually have a Colt company in Canada, and on the sign of Colt, their emblem, they have a maple leaf. And I was like, oh man. It was.
EvanNappen 30:53
Well, in the Civil War, Colt made guns in London, as well, and the London gun. So, they could sell to both sides during the Civil War. North and south, you know. A lot of the London Colts went to the Confederacy.
Teddy Nappen 31:10 Y eah.
EvanNappen 31:11
And I guess that’s it. That’s a very Ferengi thing, isn’t it? To sell to both sides, huh?
Teddy Nappen 31:19 Oh, war is good for profit.
EvanNappen 31:21
We are now at the segment that everyone looks forward to, and that is a GOFU. That’s the Gun Owner Fuck Up. Where we learned a very cheap lesson. That was an expensive lesson. Teddy, what should the GOFU be this week? Because you and I deal with this all the time in the law practice. What do you think?
Teddy Nappen 31:44
Well, particularly, this seems to be coming up a lot. I don’t know if you’ve been noticing a lot, but people driving in Teslas are actually getting run off the road. Someone will drive up near the car, stop in front of them, get out and just berate the Tesla driver. I saw there was this sweet old lady behind the car, and this dude in a mask comes up to the car and just starts berating her. Calling her a Nazi and screaming at her. Like it was just, oh my God.
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EvanNappen 32:14
You know the left is focusing on (Elon) Musk in this ridiculous way when he’s getting rid of fraud, corruption and waste. So, of course, the left is upset that he’s doing that. That’s what they run on, but to focus on Musk like this, who is just so amazing, from his.
Teddy Nappen 32:33
He just saved a bunch of astronauts.
EvanNappen 32:35
Yes, saving the astronauts and with his neuro link, you know, making blind being able to see and with the robotics. Then, of course, the great love of the left was electric cars. Electric cars. I mean, what one person, if you believe in that stuff, has done more to help fight so-called climate change than Elon Musk? But now, oh no, no, none of that. All that goes out the window. So, they are focused on attacking Teslas and going after Tesla owners. It’s enough that makes me actually want to buy a Tesla. I think they call that a buycott. Because you get so disgusted, it makes you want to buy the product.
EvanNappen 33:15
But here’s the deal. What can you do if you are in a Tesla or another vehicle and somebody starts giving you trouble? Can you pull your gun and show them you have a gun and to leave you alone? The answer is no. Don’t do that. That in New Jersey is a GOFU. Your gun is not a magic wand. Because I’ve seen it over and over and over again. Individuals where there’s been a so-called road rage incident, and the bad guy is the one who did not do anything with guns and was threatening the gun owner, the lawful gun owner who displayed their firearm To the road rager to get them to get the hell away. And guess what? The road rager calls the cops. The cops pull the gun owner over, and they arrest the gun owner for the use of the firearm, the brandishing, the arguably charged with aggravated assault if it was point. All these kind of things. They’ll dump everything they can on the gun owner who was simply trying to defend themselves.
EvanNappen 34:27
So, folks, in New Jersey, do not produce your gun. It’s not a magic wand. If you need to draw your gun, it better be that you’re justified in using it. That you’re justified in the use of deadly force. Because if you’re not justified in the use of deadly force, keep it concealed, keep it in the holster. Don’t end up a GOFU where you’re going to end up having the tables turned on you, and we’re going to have a fight through the judicial system. Trying to keep you from being imprisoned and losing your gun rights.
EvanNappen 35:06
This is Evan Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.
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Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.
Regularly called on by radio, television and online news media for his commentary and expertise on breaking news Evan has appeared countless shows including Fox News – Judge Jeanine, CNN – Lou Dobbs, Court TV, Real Talk on WOR, It’s Your Call with Lyn Doyle, Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, and Cam & Company/NRA News.
As a creative arts consultant, he also lends his weapons law and historical expertise to an elite, discerning cadre of movie and television producers and directors, and novelists.
He also provides expert testimony and consultations for defense attorneys across America.
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