Episode 225-Son of A Gun Lawyer!
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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Second Amendment, Executive Order, ATF, gun rights, Trump administration, gun violence prevention, firearm regulations, NFA amnesty, 4473 form, gun safety, gun laws, gun manufacturers, gun dealers, gun registry, gun control.

SPEAKERS

Teddy Nappen, Speaker 2

Teddy Nappen  00:15

I’m Teddy Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Now, everyone’s probably wondering, where is my father, Evan Nappen? Well, he is permitted, you know, at least once a year to smoke a certain amount of Cuban cigars and enjoy himself. So, do not worry. He will be back. But for now, we’ll just let him relax and, you know, keep smoking the Cuban cigars. That’s kind of the main focus here.

Teddy Nappen  00:45

Anyways, I want to talk about it. Let’s just take a moment now, everyone. Just take a quick moment and just appreciate the winnings. The w’s that we’ve been getting. Like every day I wake up, and I remember, oh, my God, Trump is my President. Hell yes! That is something that you need to realize and need to comprehend, how much safer and freer our country has become and is going to continue to be because of that man. Him, Musk. He already got RFK confirmed. He also got Tulsi Gabbard. He’s got all his crew, including Pete Hegseth. Everyone is ready to help fix this country. And the one thing I wanted to address, which we’ll be getting into, is about his many Executive Orders. I love the pile on strategy for him. There’s so much winning he’s doing at once that, you know, the Government-funded media can’t keep up. They’re running out of fake outrage, and they’re just watering it down to, oh, he did it. He got rid of the pennies. Ahhh! All right. Whatever.

Teddy Nappen  02:05

But what I very much want to talk about is a very important Executive Order that was probably lost in the piles of wins that he’s been doing. One particular Executive Order. It was on February 7th. Protecting the Second Amendment rights. (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/protecting-second-amendment-rights/) Dad, you picked a hell of a week to take a vacation.

Teddy Nappen  02:32

So, I’ll read this Executive Order to you and just kind of take in the words. “By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: . . .” By me, President Trump. “(Section 1.) Purpose. The Second Amendment is an indispensable safeguard for security and liberty. It has preserved the right of the American people to protect ourselves, our families, and our freedoms . . .” A lot of people say that. Not many people. A lot of people. People tell me that all the time. “. . .since the founding of our great Nation. Because it is foundational to maintain all other rights held by the Americans, the right to keep and bear arms must not be infringed.”

Teddy Nappen  03:33

There’s the best I could do for my impression of President Trump, but I’m not going to do the rest, because that will kill my voice. As he lays out the rest, he has thanks his Attorney General, I believe it’s Pam Bondi, thank God. “(Sec. 2. Plan of Action. a.) Within 30 days of the date of this order, the Attorney General shall examine all orders, regulations, guidance, plans, international agreements, and other actions of executive departments and agencies to assess any ongoing infringements of the Second Amendment rights of our citizens, and present a proposed plan of action to the President, through the Domestic Policy Advisor, to protect the Second Amendment rights of all Americans.”

Teddy Nappen  04:17

All right, I’m just gonna pause there for a moment. Holy Shit! Imagine like rolling back to any other President’s time where he is demanding we look at the infringements on our rights. Not even like, okay, let Congress figure it out. States tell people there’s been infringements of their rights. He made it an Executive Order. We are going to find these infringements and fix this. I mean, imagine hearing that. You were never going to hear that from Biden. You’ll never hear that from any of the Democrats. Hunh, and then we’re going to protect the hush, first, wait third, no wait. Constitution. Yeah, it’s gonna end well. Great job. Biden. It just such a breath of fresh air to actually see a man sign that Executive Order with, you know, the giant John Hancock-level signature with a marker, which he then throws to the audience.

Teddy Nappen  05:27

But yeah, as to the developing plan of action of the Attorney General, again, reviewing various agencies from 2021 to 2025. Gee, I wonder why that focus is the time? I don’t know maybe all the insanity that was policies by the listing directly to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Gee, I wonder what they’ve been up to and what they need to be reviewed on? Orders and actions of their so-called enhanced regulatory policy and reports related to documents issued by the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention. Look at that. That ugly office has reared its ugly head once more. You know the spot. Where they gave a direct line connection to the Biden Administration and the anti-gun heads. Putting them in positions of power to coordinate with agencies to take away our rights. That agency. Yeah, we’re going to see all that documentation. Another one to review and see how many infringements there have been on our rights. The positions taken by the U.S. on potential ongoing litigation that affects or could affect the ability for Americans to exercise Second Amendment rights. That’s a key one, and we’ll get back to that.

Teddy Nappen  06:52

Agency classification of firearms and ammunition. Hmm, something something, pistol brace. Hmm. Think about that. Processing of applicants to make and manufacture, transfer, or export of firearms. We’ll be getting back to that one, too. So, just to kind of take a step back on these. The power of what this is actually doing, where you think, like the blanket. I defend the Second Amendment. We’re going to fight these infringements. But what does that actually mean? Well, as the Executive Branch, and particularly all the infringements done by the ATF pertaining to firearms and the White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention. The one thing that would go to is the fact that the Office of Gun Violence Prevention were the ones that were coordinating with the States. If you’re recall in New Jersey, they have the “safe office”. That’s the group that keeps going after gun dealers, suing them, suing gun manufacturers. Imagine now where all that funding gets cut off to those agencies and offices where it’s like, well, we’re not paying us to go after gun manufacturers, so why should we bother? Gone. Goodbye.

Teddy Nappen  08:13

You then see the other infringements done by the ATF, including all of their pending court cases, all the challenges where they say, no, no, we’ve got to keep these rules. We’ve got to keep that pistol brace ruling. We’ve got to. No, no, 80 percenters, uh. You see now them rolling all that back. I can’t wait just for them to be handing all these wins to in the Federal Government for all the groups that are suing for the Second Amendment.

Teddy Nappen  08:45

The other thing that I want to talk about is manufacturing. I want to see. As you know, the ATF had been cracking down heavily on the FFLs, where, you know, they had the zero-tolerance policy. Zero Tolerance. If you messed up the address there on this book, you’re under arrest. That level of insanity. It’s quite disgusting, and now we’re gonna see. Ut oh, all the dirty laundry is getting aired. All the attacks on innocent civilians, people that were just trying to run their businesses. And it was even more disgusting because they actually were tactical about it. You know, like, the idea of food deserts where, oh, you can’t get food within 50 miles. They were actually trying to create gun deserts. Targeting specifically dealers in certain locations. So, you’d have to travel, like there isn’t a gun dealer in 100 miles of here. It’s utter insanity and disgusting the levels of infringement and attacks that this agency has done. Well now, the bill has come due, and we are going to see everything. All the documents. All the corruption and that they were attacking.

Teddy Nappen  10:10

Also looking at the import restrictions. Now, I know, looking back to our President, he is always one who stands by tariffs. It’s a beautiful word. A very beautiful word in the English language. And I get that. I’d rather promote American manufacturing and American construction. You know, build up ammunitions and build up gun manufacturing, back to the U.S. But I do see the value in getting in imports. I mean, look, it’s the cheap Russian ammo. I wouldn’t try that ammo because you fire it one or two times and every other bullet doesn’t go through. It just taps it. So, it’s not the best in the world. As if, like, you’re just trying out a pistol, or you just, you know, need cheap ammunition. I’d rather have the manufacturing here. But with all that said, I would like them to remove the restrictions. Put a tariff on it. Hell, yeah. Let’s get paid for it, at least. But I would like to see the ammunition start coming in.

Teddy Nappen  11:16

The other thing, and this one is where things get very fun. And my father has talked about this before. What they should be doing is an amnesty period, an NFA amnesty period. So, in the law, and this is actually codified in the law, Trump could issue an amnesty period so you could register all the NFAs. You know, everyone who buried a machine gun, any suppressor, anything that was historical. That has been in the family for years and you don’t want to get rid, you know. This would be a time for people to get in and that would be a whole surge in the market for people getting mass amounts of machine guns put into and preserving them, frankly. It’s something that he could definitely do. And I feel like that’ll be one of the estimates.

Teddy Nappen  12:13

This one, however, pertaining to the 4473, which is, you know, first of all, let’s stop right here. I am tired of denying my Hispanic Heritage every time on a 4473. It’s quite disturbing. Like the amount of times I go there, it’s like, am I Hispanic or not Hispanic? I am not Hispanic. Okay. And then I choose my race. Like, what is the point? And you know what? Of course, they did it because of “Operation Fast and Furious”. That whole debacle. But they need to restructure the whole of 4473. Stop with the photo IDs, ATF. Okay? You’ve long denied that you don’t have a facial database. Oh, if that were true, how the heck did they find the Pennsylvania shooter all the sudden because of facial identification through his father where he bought it? So, yeah, there’s no facial identification. Give me a break. So, that’s gonna get aired out, too. Do you know what’s even worse? They’re actually prohibited from creating a national database. But very clearly, they are saving the 4473s and creating a national database.

Teddy Nappen  13:27

And do you know why they want to make a gun registry? That is their plan. That is their evil plan. Just like they did in Australia. Any of the gun-grabbing countries. That is what they’re looking to do. To create a national registry. And you know what? I want Trump to take all those papers. I want him to stand right out in front of the ATF. Take out all the 4473s and, you know, take out the servers, too. And take a machine gun and just destroy all of them. Just burn them at that point and send a message. There will be no gun registration in this country.

Teddy Nappen  14:03

So, on that note, as I catch my voice, the other thing I’m very excited for is the definitions. Now, this is something the ATF has abused repeatedly, pistol braces. You know, things like even a mouse trapped. It’s one of those where they act without authority. And the Chevron deference, where, now they’re losing that ability pretty soon. They won’t be able to make such blanket definitions. That’s for Congress. Until then, I want this to be a heavy crackdown and even go as far as for them to delete all the opinions that the ATF has used and abused to raid people’s houses. And I’m calling it what it is. Raid. You know, when they’re actually breaking into homes and attacking. By the way, it was, just looking back, it was supposed to be a tax agency, you know. What is this? Like, why the heck are you armed to the teeth with all the heavy militant level group attack authority of the ATF? When they were supposed to be dealing with taxes. I know they’re trying to. They were trying to arm the IRS, but the ATF? That’s pretty much what they were doing. Like why? It’s just, it’s utter insanity of what they have become.

Teddy Nappen  15:31

Oh, and here’s something else I didn’t realize. ATF agents don’t have body cam footage. What? I’m utterly shocked that that’s a thing. I mean, people go ape shit when deleting the body cam footage. ATF – they don’t need to. The only time we catch it is, thank God, people have ring cameras so you can see them trying to break into your home and stealing like an 80 percenter that was legal to own. It’s utter insanity that they use and abuse. It’s quite disgusting but thank God we have Trump. Thank God that he can go after their zero-tolerance policy, where gun dealers can actually run a professional company. The fact that you have, like, what it used to be, a professional courtesy. Where they would just go there, and say, oh, okay, you just need to correct these small things. Okay, that’s fine. I remember even, like, you know, they were so friendly with the ATF, they even brought them donuts. Like it was just being nice and professional. What happened to that? What happened and where’s that discretion? No, sorry. Well, a Democrat is in the house, so we have, you know, zero tolerance for firearms. We apologize.

Teddy Nappen  16:58

Also, what I like as well is this is where they’re going to actually be analyzing the acts of Congress. So, kind of acting like, what would the safe office? Remember that giant omnibus bill that they created for the safe office? This is where it’ll be able to advise Congress and actually start directly targeting laws. I would like to see the Hughes Amendment removed. You know, bring back the production and manufacturing of machine guns. ’68 -removing the serialization National Firearms Act. The list goes on. There is so much power in this order, and people aren’t even talking about it. It’s crazy, but I’m very much looking forward to this.

Teddy Nappen  17:45

And again, I thank God every day we have Trump in office, because I could not see how we would end up. Well, actually I can. We would end up probably like Canada or Australia with everyone completely disarmed. More and more, you would get put away for thought crimes, you know. I mean, Britain is already there. In the last episode we already talked about, you know, big brother coins. They’re not even hiding it anymore. So, it’s very clear that was the goal. But, you know, thank God we have Trump, and we’ll keep fighting the good fight there.

Teddy Nappen  18:25

I believe now I have to do some ad reading, so I will do that. Let’s start with, I want to tell you about Gun Lawyer. I think everyone knows about Gun Lawyer. I sure do. One thing I always laugh at is how popular it is. Where our numbers are like 620,000 listeners, and we’re beating out million-dollar companies like MSNBC. It’s utter insanity, and I love the ones they’re firing, too. They are essentially leaving because they’re so Trump deranged that they don’t want to pay them for that. So, now, they’re like, we’re going to go online. Yeah, sure. Okay, let’s listen to Jim Acosta. Whatever.

Teddy Nappen  19:39

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Teddy Nappen  20:30

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Teddy Nappen  22:01

Let’s not forget about our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. The Association is our stalwart defender of our gun rights in New Jersey. They have a full-time paid lobbyist. They, too, are bringing litigation covering the Carry Killer bill, the assault firearm ban, the large capacity magazine. I can’t wait for them to get all the easy wins. Now that President Trump’s Executive Order went into play, we should be getting some results very shortly on those fights. Hopefully very shortly, too, now with that order coming out. And I’ll be sure to report all those developments to my loyal listeners.

Teddy Nappen  22:45

Oh, there’s that brief advertisement. Now back to your normal scheduled program. So, back to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. You know how much I love talking about them. Everyone seems to be knowing about all the great nominations and picks that Trump has had. Currently, he’s got RFK Jr, Tulsi Gabbard, Pete Hegseth, and soon to be Kash Patel. It’s going to be a sweep. He’s getting in. And many others. Great, great individuals who will bring the fight to getting our country back on track. But currently there is still talk about the ATF nomination. So, one of those that it’s kind of an interesting perspective. I just want him to. I think it was the head of the Department of Education where Trump had said. Look, I want to make. You better do your job and make sure you don’t have a job. So, it’s kind of that level of, hopefully, he approaches the ATF director that way.

Teddy Nappen  24:09

There was an article in BearingArms.com by Cam Edwards quoting the Times, and they were talking about it. (https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/12/16/trumps-reported-shortlist-for-atf-features-familiar-names-n1227161) And,  you know, it was a smear piece. They wanted to go after people that are in consideration for the director of ATF. One was Blake Masters. He’s the high financer and Trump loyalist. You know, Pence liked him, but no one likes Pence, and no one cares what he thinks. The fact that he is a loyal and a true Second Amendment supporter definitely strikes as a good sense. Another one I liked was Peter Forcelli. He was actually a former Bureau official who wrote the book on Operation Fast and Furious. Can you imagine? One of the biggest scandals of the ATF! He writes that book and then becomes the head of the ATF. I’m waiting for him to do the next book where it’s just, like, basically, ah, I did it better, or something equivalent to that. Or, like, just “Director:. I don’t know, but it would be interesting.

Teddy Nappen  25:23

There is another person they’re talking about. I think Larry Keane. He’s a gun manufacturer, and he’s another former top ATF official. They threw out a bunch of other names, too. Robert Cekada, Daniel Board, and Rick Dressler. One I actually thought was hilarious Because Trump is one who he picks. He is what I would describe as. He always picks people who like are the outsiders. They’re the ones that you least expect, but they would probably be the best ones for the job. And I laughed when it came up. I see that online, people are suggesting Brandon Herrera, aka the AK-Guy, to be the head of the ATF. (https://www.sacurrent.com/news/is-san-antonios-ak-guy-seriously-a-finalist-to-be-trumps-atf-director-36709832) If you’re not familiar with his You Tube channel, Brandon recreates famous shooting. Shows like guns. He’s very much on the pulse of the issue with guns in our country. The Second Amendment and how it’s under attack. He is also in the manufacturing industry. So, he actually understands and knows the lingo. And I get the idea of, wait, you don’t want someone in the industry. But look, I’m not talking like putting in the head of Lockheed Martin or, you know, a head of some defense contractor. I’m talking about a dude who loves guns, uses guns, makes guns, built his whole career around guns, and having him be the head of the ATF. Because what we don’t want is someone who is just a bureaucrat. Who doesn’t know crap about guns. Who says he’s a fan of the Second Amendment. No. It’s something that definitely I would like to see.

Teddy Nappen  27:18

Now, I know people are going to flood the comments, and I’m going to say, yes, yes, Evan, my father, Evan Nappen, should definitely become the head of the ATF. But he would hate it with a burning passion. He would just be like, okay, we’re going to be shutting down. Oh, yeah, everyone go home. We’re actually, you know what, all agencies are coming back. We’re going to be streamlining the NFA process. Instead of nine months. It will be like one day. So, yeah, it’s definitely like, oh God, he would hate it so much. But it would definitely be hilarious. If you want to leave a comment or suggestions, post a suggestion of anyone that comes to mind that you’re like, yeah, that’s who I want to be the head of the ATF.

Teddy Nappen  28:21

All right. Now it’s time for everyone’s favorite, the GOFU. And let us go over it. We always have one where it’s more about like, you know, the classics. What to avoid and things like that. This is something that comes up every time, every, every time. It’s something that people think they know, but it always happens. And because of that, we need to drill it down. GOFU. Every gun is loaded. Always, always, always. Assume every gun is loaded. Every time it’s a Gun Owner Fuck Up when there’s an accidental discharge. Every single time, because you open up a can of worms. It leads to so much pain, and worst of all, it can lead to someone dying.

Teddy Nappen  29:20

I actually pulled up an article from New Jersey. (https://newjersey.news12.com/edison-nj-man-accidently-shoots-kills-wife-while-clearing-registered-firearm) It was in Edison where a guy was clearing his gun. He went to clear his firearm, you know, just check, and pulled the trigger. He accidentally shot and killed his wife. And it’s something. I’m not going to go into details on that for him. I’m just saying that this is something you always have to think about. You always have to address and treat every firearm like it’s loaded. I mean, look, we all know the joke. What’s the famous last thing the redneck said? Not, “Hey, check this out.” The other one is, “It ain’t loaded.” It’s very common, and it’s something that you just have to drill down and make sure you know. Always, always, always. Every gun is loaded. Period. Okay? Because it just gives more ammunition. You know, I didn’t mean a pun there, but okay. To the anti-gun side, and it just gives more power to them. When actually responsible gun owners do their due diligence. You know the name escapes me, but an armed society is a polite society. Okay? You are carrying this power and responsibility. Please, please, please. Every gun is loaded. Remember that. And, oh, I think we’ll finish off with my father’s famous quote. Gun laws do not protect honest citizens from criminals. Gun laws protect criminals from honest citizens. This is Teddy Nappen signing off. 

Speaker 2  31:14

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