Episode 203-New Imprisonment Threats by Gun Rights Oppressors  
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SPEAKERS

Speaker 3, Evan Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:19

I’m Evan Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. So, I need to tell you about a very serious threat. A threat of imprisonment of gun owners. What I call the Gun Owner Gulag. Only, they’re looking to make it even worse. I’m going to tell you about this threat, and they’re concealing the threat as the way the gun rights suppressors often do. They promote one thing while pushing other things that are even more detrimental to our gun rights, and in this case, our personal liberty and freedom and not being imprisoned and held without bail to the extreme.

Evan Nappen 01:23

So, let me tell you what I’m talking about here. We have to be aware of this because it’s coming, folks, and this is step one. What I’m talking about is the report that just came out from the New Jersey State Commission of Investigation, and it is called “Illegal Firearms Use & Trends in New Jersey.” If you want to see the actual report, of course, there is a link to it in the transcript at the Gun Lawyer website. (https://www.nj.gov/sci/pdf/SCI%20Illegal%20Guns%20Final%20Report.pdf) Now there’s a little letter that’s attached to the report, and this letter is sent by Tiffany Williams Brewer, who’s the chair of the commission. This letter is being sent to Governor Phil Murphy. The letter states, “The State Commission of Investigation, pursuant to N.J.S.A. 52:9M-1 . . .”. It’s funny. It’s m1 isn’t it? “. . . to -20, herewith submits its final report of findings and recommendations stemming from an investigation into illegal firearms and gun violence trends in New Jersey.”

Evan Nappen 02:28

So, immediately, you know, it’s largely bullshit, because they’re using the word “gun violence”. Right? Got to talk about it as “gun violence”, not “criminal violence”. God forbid, the State Commission Investigation actually looks at criminal violence. No, no, that’s not what this is about. So, what does this report talk about? Well, this report is being, if it’s talked about at all, what’s being talked about is their concern about “ghost guns”. Woooo scary? Ghost guns. Which are, of course, privately-made firearms, which Americans have been doing since before the country was a country. But it’s always scary to tell the ghost stories. So, here we go. All right, bad enough, and use of 3-D printers to manufacture guns and gun parts. Well, we already have a ban on that in New Jersey anyway. And they’re focused on switches. They’re talking about Glock switches because Glock switches are so easy to make on a 3-D printer, and they convert Glocks very quickly to full auto.

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Evan Nappen 03:47

They can’t stop the frequency Kenneth here, because it’s out there, and anyone with a 3d printer can download how to make Glock switches. The Glock switch goes on the back of the Glock, very easy to put on. You click the switch and your full auto with your Glock. So, they’re very concerned about this, because so many Glocks are being recovered that are full auto switches. A lot of this stuff, even if you don’t three print it, is being sold by the chai coms into the U.S., but they don’t focus on that here, of course. Anyway, the whole report seems to be, you know, the primary push is all about that, and that’s bad enough. They mention that switches themselves in New Jersey are not prohibited by New Jersey law. So, in a way simple, there is no unlawful possession of a Glock switch law in Jersey. However, they’re federally prohibited. It’s like possessing a machine gun. So, you get a federal charge for the equivalent of possessing a machine gun if you have one of these things, whether New Jersey, independently, has a switch law or not. Regardless, it’s federally prohibited anyway. But again, they got to crank it up and create the fear. You know, “ghost guns”, and these are all over. Okay, so that’s their normal gun right suppression stuff they do. But here’s where the additional things in the report that aren’t being emphasized are truly scary, way scarier than ghost guns and Glock switches. In my opinion, what is way scarier is because of its impact on gun owners, law-abiding gun owners, in New Jersey and what they intend to do.

Evan Nappen 05:52

Let me fill you in. This report lists five or actually six points, if you will. The first point is, I’ll read them to you, but I’ll breeze through them real fast. “1. Although it is illegal in New Jersey to use a 3-D printer to manufacture guns and gun parts, state law fails to criminalize the possessing of printing plans to create gun parts, which could lead to further deterrence.” So, now they want to expand it to 3-D printing of even just having plans. They want to go at First Amendment rights to have even just information. They want to expand that already exists on the plans to make the weapons. You know, they want to expand that First Amendment violation for freedom of speech here. “2. State law does not prohibit the possession of switches that enable a semi-automatic weapon to be transformed into a machine gun, despite these devices being accessible to purchase for as little as $20 online.” “3. A small number of guns are driving a large share of the violence in numerous New Jersey municipalities, suggesting that current state law and prosecutorial strategies do not adequately address multi-shoot firearms.” That’s sure a lot of vague bullshit to jam more gun rights oppression up our butt, isn’t it?

Evan Nappen 07:20

And this is where it really gets bad, folks. “4. A disparity between the timing of pretrial detention decisions and the availability of National Integrated Ballistic Information Network (NIBIN) data analysis precludes valuable information from being considered in bail decisions.” Now, I’m going to get into detail about what that really means in a moment, and that combines with number five. “5. Current Public Safety Assessment (PSA) risk factor calculations fail to accurately reflect the dangerousness of firearms.” And then six. “6. Additional protocols may strengthen shooting intelligence collection.” (Page 3 of the report)

Evan Nappen 08:17

So, what does this really mean? Why is this so scary? Why is it such a threat? And why do we need to be very much aware of this? Because this report, I guarantee you, is going to be a basis for future

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legislation. In that legislation, they’re going to put restrictions and new laws in that are going to dramatically affect the ability to imprison gun owners in the Gulag for extended periods of time. Let me explain how. They claim in the body of this report that a small number of guns are driving a large share of violence in numerous municipalities, and that current strategies don’t address multi-shoot firearms. So, what the hell are they talking about there? They’re talking about different shooting events and things that happened in Paterson and Newark and Trenton, etc, and they said current community gun laws address the issue of the same guns being used again. Yeah, we’ve had that for a while.

Evan Nappen 09:33

But here’s where they’re sneaking it in, folks, and it’s going to jam it to law-abiding gun owners. “Similarly, the reckless or intentional public discharge of a weapon is not explicitly addressed by New Jersey’s criminal laws. Instead, public discharges of a weapon are now generally treated as criminal mischief – an offense equivalent to spraying graffiti on a wall or breaking someone’s window.” (Page 7 of the report) Oh. Discharge, reckless discharge. Reckless discharge. Hmm. Do you mean when somebody has an accidental discharge in Jersey, of which I have case after case after case, and the state decides to criminally charge them with recklessness? Do you mean those things? Yeah, you see.

Evan Nappen 10:36

Then, when you get deeper into it, what does it say in their recommendations part? It says, we need to criminalize firearm discharges. It states, “When crafting legislation to criminalize firearms discharges, lawmakers should consider laws . . .”, which is the signal, right? Whoop, whoop. Please make this law happen, and of course, they’re going to. “. . . enacted in other states that have criminalized the discharge of a weapon under specific conditions or if a shooting incident occurs near particular locations. For instance, Pennsylvania has a law against ‘the knowing, intentional, or reckless discharge of a weapon into an occupied structure.’ Florida law prohibits knowingly discharging a firearm in any public place, or on or over a public road, or from a vehicle located within 1,000 feet of any person. Those laws are akin to how New Jersey’s criminal statutes address drug-related activities that transpire in close proximity to schools.” (Page 11 of the report) Okay, so what are they going to do? They’re going to criminalize ADs (accidental discharges). And you know that New Jersey is going to make it so broad that any AD is going to get criminally charged. It’s going to happen. It’s going to come under reckless, and they’re going to make it a new way to throw you in jail. And it doesn’t end there.

Evan Nappen 12:16

Extending from that is their point 4. where they want extensions for pretrial detention hearings for gun offenders pending ballistic analysis. What does this mean, and how does it relate to what I just talked about and beyond? Let me explain. The recommendation is, “To enable judges to consider more complete information concerning a defendant’s possession of a firearm at the time of the offense when making pretrial decisions, the Legislature should amend the Criminal Justice Reform Act to permit those proceedings to occur beyond the current statutorily required timeline in cases where firearms analysis is pending.” (Page 11 of the report)

Evan Nappen 13:13

Here’s what this breaks down to, folks. The pretrial detention system, which we’ve discussed in the show before, is what I call the Gun Owner Gulag. In New Jersey, there’s no more cash bail. If you get

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arrested and charged on a gun offense as a warrant, which is the normal way they do things, you’re going to be held for up to 48 hours, guilty of nothing, until the prosecutor decides whether or not to seek pretrial detention. They have to make that decision in 48 hours. If they decide to seek it, which on gun cases they regularly do, then you can be held, and normally are, for up to five more days before a hearing where a judge is going to determine whether you’re going to get out or not. If the judge decides you’re not getting out, then you’re staying in until your trial or until your matter is pled out. Months and months or years. You’re in the Gulag, my friends. That means you’re virtually guaranteed seven days just on being arrested and charged.

Evan Nappen 14:21

What they want to do now is expand the time period while you’re sitting in jail, guilty of nothing, where there is no bail anymore, so they can extend out for who knows how long before you even get your hearing to get out. Oh, based on what? Based on their need to do analysis of the firearm. Analysis. Ballistic reports. How long are they going to wait? Months for ballistic reports? What type of analysis? Do they have to get their experts in? Reports on what? Boy, you can see that this is just so ripe for abuse. God forbid you have an accidental discharge. Oh, my God. Now you are charged with reckless. Now you’re in the Gulag. They have to do firearms analysis. You’re guilty of nothing and just held, imprisoned, by the gun rights oppressors. This is their plan. I’m giving you advance warning. Mark their words. That’s the reason for this report, folks.

Evan Nappen 15:33

Then they say they want to reassess again, the recommendation. “5. Reassess the Public Safety Assessment (PSA) Risk Factors to More Accurately Reflect the Dangerousness of Firearms.” (Page 12 of the report) What does that mean? I’ll tell you what it means. When you are subject to the Gulag and you’re subjected to that hearing to determine whether you’re going to be free pending your trial, a test is done. An analysis of two scales called PSAs – Public Safety Assessment. I do these all the time. There are two scales. One is, are you a flight risk? It’s on a scale of one to five, and the low numbers of what you want to see. The other test is criminality, danger, etc. It’s that second test that they abuse the hell out of already. Then the judge looks at those scores and puts that into their consideration of whether you’re going to get out or be held until your trial. Proven guilty of nothing. There is no more bail.

Evan Nappen 16:34

Well, now what they want to do is they want to make those factors include the “dangerousness of firearms” themselves. You know how dangerous those dreaded black rifles are, who only have one purpose, to kill hundreds of people. Right? And how dangerous a magazine that holds all those bullets, right? Let’s see what it says. “The Commission recommends that the Judiciary reassess the Public Safety Assessment risk factors, particularly to address cases in which firearms are discharged, but the conduct would not be currently categorized as a violent offense. The PSA’s violent offense list should include reckless and public discharge of a firearm, including but not limited to instances when public discharges are charged as criminal mischief or endangering another person offenses. . .”, which is so easy to be charged on any AD, “both of which are presently excluded from the violent offense categorization.”

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Evan Nappen 17:51

That’s right. They want to put it in to keep your ass in jail with no proof of guilt, no due process of any substance other than this pretrial detention hearing in front of a judge with this. No jury, no nothing. You’re stuck in jail. They also want to look at any time a gun is fired in public, shooting events, etc. So, they’re going to couch it all in that concern, folks. Then make their broad stroke law like they always do, and it’s going to jam up law-abiding citizen after law-abiding citizen. It’s already the Gulag, and this is their plan. You heard it here on Gun Lawyer first. You have got to stay vigilant.

Evan Nappen 18:49

The way you stay vigilant, number one, is to belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs because they’re monitoring this stuff in Trenton. They have a full time paid lobbyist. When you’re a member, you’re going to get the email alerts. They’re going to give you the easy way to let your opposition get known, by pushing those buttons that send the emails that let your voice be heard. They’re there trying to stop and monitor these things. This is on the horizon. Very, very soon, we’re going to see it as a proposed law, and it’s going to be bad. They’re going to look to enhance the number of gun owners that are incarcerated. If you’re a gun owner, they view you as a criminal. They view you as a threat. This is what gun rights oppressors do. You need to join the state Association, the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs, ANJRPC.org, and help fight for your rights. This is just one of hundreds of things that the gun rights oppressors try to do, but this has dramatic and real impact. I know how they play. I know what they do, and it is extremely dangerous to our liberty.

Evan Nappen 20:26

I also want to tell you another way to protect yourself and that’s to get my book, New Jersey Gun Law, the Bible of New Jersey gun law. That book will help you not become a GOFU. That book will help guide you through the crazy matrix of New Jersey gun laws. When you get the book, you need to scan the front cover. Then you’ll get the updates. When they push this law, and hopefully not, but if they pass this law or any version thereof, I’ll be updating the book, and you’ll be right on it. You’ll get the alert and the new update, so you’ll know what’s happening. This way, you can guide your behavior accordingly. Take advantage of that. Also, if you want to buy the book, just go to EvanNappen.com. That’s my website. EvanNappen.com. You’ll see the big orange book. Click it to buy a book. You’ll have it in days, a matter of days now.

Evan Nappen 21:30

Let me also mention our good friends at WeShoot. WeShoot is an indoor pistol range in Lakewood. It’s where I shoot, and it’s where I got my CCARE training. My brother, my son and my wife, too. On and on. It’s a great place. I know you’ll love it. They have excellent training, a phenomenal facility, so conveniently located right in Central Jersey. They have a great website, too. weshootusa.com Beautiful photography. What a great bunch of folks. I give them my highest recommendation. Make sure you check out WeShoot in Lakewood. You’ll be glad you did.

Evan Nappen 22:12

So, let’s take a look now at some very interesting, quick little headlines. Then we’re going to get to something that’s really a lot of fun. I mean it. First of all, I want to mention that the U.S. has seized over 350 websites that were being used to import gun parts from China.

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(https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-seizes-over-350-websites-used-import-gun-parts-china-2024-09- 11/) That’s right. They finally, finally. They’ve been letting it go on with ads on Facebook, ads all over the place for suppressors and auto switches and everything. It’s been going on for years. They finally got off their ass and did something about it. Wow, I’m like, in shock, but you know. Yeah, the Chi-Com are selling all these things, and then what happens? They track it. Then they come to your door and arrest you. So, they were too busy using the Chinese to set up gun owners in America. They finally had to clamp down on it, because they couldn’t keep up. It was allowed to go on for so long. Basically too little too late, but they finally moved on it. How nice. Okay, good.

Evan Nappen 23:30

I have a letter here, a follow up from last week on an Ask Evan. This is from Art who says, regarding is a pharmacy drive-thru a prohibited place. Remember, we talked about dispensaries and all that. Now, if they’re dispensing medicine, it’s a dispensary, and that’s how we’re going to have that big battle. But Art says, Hey, Evan, I listen to your show every week. I appreciate that. Thank you, and I always learned many things. Thank you so much. You mentioned the pharmacy and CVS or Rite Aid being a prohibited place. What if you’re in your car at the drive thru? It’s an outside location accessible to the public, and assuming there’s not a “no firearm” sign at the entrance, you should be okay. But does the act of accepting your prescription at the window constitute being at a dispensary, since they’re in the act of dispensing your medication?

Evan Nappen 24:21

Frankly, the answer would be yes, because that’s dispensing. While you’re there, that’s part of the pharmacy. It’s the pharmacy’s property, and it’s being used as part of the dispensary to dispense you the medicine. Before you drive up to that window, you better not have your gun loaded concealed on your person, because it could be alleged that you’re in a sensitive place. So, your best bet is to park and then use the sensitive place exemption to unload and secure your firearm properly, as we’ve discussed in the past. Then go inside and do what you need to do. Because it is a potential problem, and you don’t want to be a GOFU. We have got to be extra careful, even though the state Association is litigating this as we speak. But for now, you have got to be really careful.

Evan Nappen 25:18

Okay, let me talk to you about something that I thought was really funny, and it just deserves to be discussed. I want to give you more details than you may have even heard, because I know you’ll appreciate it. So, you know, one of the things that the gun rights oppressors have done in Jersey through Murphy and Company, was to offer the no guns at the premises stickers. Free stickers to prohibit guns at premises. Now they didn’t offer a “guns welcome” sticker. No, they used your tax dollars basically there to promote the prohibition of firearms. They set it up where you could just go online and order these free stickers. Well, it’s hilarious. I’m going to read the names of the people and places that actually requested these due to the excellent work of John Petrolino, who is a wonderful writer. (johnpetrolino.com) You can catch him on Keep and Bear Arms and AmmoLand and other great gun rights publications. John is just a dynamo when it comes to revealing and gaining information. He did a Freedom of Information through New Jersey. He got the Government records request and actually got the data of the folks that requested these stickers. He got the complete list of all businesses that

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requested “gun free zone” decals through the program announced by Attorney General Platkin on March 21, 2024, and the list is detailed. It’s really great, and here you go.

Evan Nappen 27:10

Okay, number one, and we’re going to go through them. Southern Ocean County Chamber of Commerce in Ship Bottom. They requested it. PTA, Treasurer of Woodbury. Who knows if that’s real or not? LW, Inc of Fort Lee. Here’s a good one. Ready? You Are Infringing On My Constitutional Rights from Springfield. CGC Cafe in Metuchen. Artigiano in Pine Brook. Cenzino Ristorante in Oakland, New Jersey. Turdo Vineyards and Winery in Cape May.

Evan Nappen 27:10

So, we’re going to talk about the names on this list. Some are legitimate businesses that you may not ever want to give your business to because they are joining in gun rights oppression. Frankly, I don’t like to support those businesses. But then there is a slew of activists who decided to request these stickers and use hilarious names for their requesters. So, let’s take a look at who requested the obvious legitimate ones that you need to take note of, and the obvious hilarious ones, of which are even more than the legitimate ones.

Evan Nappen 28:01

Now, let me just say this. Some of these places that serve alcohol, which is currently a sensitive place, may have gotten these stickers only because the law already prohibits it until we overturn that. They may just be doing it because they don’t want customers to inadvertently be in a sensitive place. So, there may be a benefit of the doubt, maybe, to some of the bars and restaurants that are putting up the stickers because they serve alcohol and are sensitive places. Other places that requested the sticker are already sensitive places. So, you may want to inquire at these places why they got it and what their intention was.

Evan Nappen 29:29

Beacon 70 in Bricktown. Maypoint Hospitality in Cape May. By the way, this entire list will be listed and linked on the Gun Lawyer website. You can see it there for yourself. Butte County District Attorney’s office in California requested the New Jersey sticker. Okay, nice. DW Vineyards in Ringos. Adelaide Cellars in California. The Paper Mill Playhouse in Millburn. M Group in Alachula, Florida. The Sentinel of Gloucester County in Malaga. Trenton Thunder in Trenton. This is a good one. Ready? Ban 2A Meow, Ban 2A M in Kansas. Coyle & Morris LLP in Morris Plains. Heffs in Franklin Lakes. Bozos in Phoenix, Arizona. Uncle D’s Damn Fine Donuts in Arizona. Underwood Management Solutions in Gilbert, Arizona. Zed’s Beer-Bado Brewing in Marlton. Station House LLC in Manasquan. Dismal Harmony Distilling in Morristown. MGG in Michigan. The U.S. Army in Columbus, Georgia.

Evan Nappen 31:11

VaporCore in Denver. Here’s a good one coming up here, folks. I love this one. Ready? Seal Clubbing International from Clayton, North Carolina. Okay? Seal Clubbing International. Reflections Holistic Books & Novelties in Acworth, George. Leftwich Way? Leftwich Way. That’s pretty good. In Columbia, Maryland. Delilah Glass in California. Sticker Palace in North Augusta, South Carolina. They asked for a bunch of them at different times. Maybe they sell the stickers. I don’t know. Vandelay Industries in

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California. These aren’t even in New Jersey. Guns-R-Us in Alabama, wanted it. A Restaurant. It doesn’t say where in Vineland. Paper St. Soap Company in Arizona. Moms Demand Action in California. Borough of Woodland Park in Woodland Park. A1 Carpentry in Randolph. Bottone in Toms River. Jimmy Bomb in Haddon Township. Second Amendment Does Not Support Gun Restrictions in Sayreville. Good for them. Westin Mount Laurel in Mount Laurel. CLR MFR in Hackensack. Carlough Manufacturing in Upper Saddle River. Dominico Winery in Neptune City. Coop Corp in Hamilton. We The People in Wallington. A in Port Norris. Booterbeer Brewing Company in New Jersey. Mothers for safe funs in Kendall. Waste of money in Kendall. RR Real Estate in Bridgewater. RelianTax Advisory in Hazlet. Beach Haus Brewery in Belmar. Ventnor Coffee in Ventnor.

Evan Nappen 33:20

Flemington Jewish Community Center. That’s just great. Make sure you make that a “no gun zone”. It will surely stop any terrorist from wanting to attack the Jewish Community Center. Their signs just work like magic. Great idea. Flavors Soul Food Restaurant in Newark. Millers Ale House in Ocean. Flemington JCC, another great move there to put that sign up there in Flemington. BeConnected in Bayville. A whole bunch of Your Mom Incorporated from Michigan. Knoll Country Club in Boonton. Something called Home in Hackettstown. OT Imports in South Carolina. Fucking Your Mom LLC, San Diego, California. Gotta love it. We the People in Highland Lakes. CWC in Long Valley. Sticker Palace, again. Eurabizc Feriel LLC in Philly. TyrannicalGovernment Officials for Prison from Belmar, New Jersey. Township of West Orange. King Pin Bar & Restaurant in Egg Harbor Township. Pops Farmstand in Chesterfield, Mass. Psych Detective Agency in Framingham, Mass. Gun Free Zone, Franklin, Tennessee. Club Krafty Tutoring Services, Philadelphia. Bar Restaurant / 45th pub in Edgewater Park, New Jersey. Ohioans for Gun Sense, of course, Ohio. NRA in Portland, Texas. GMMI in Battle Ground, Washington. Uncle Joe’s Crackhouse, Bluffton, South Carolina. Gotta love those boys. Uncle Joe’s Crackhouse. Yep, I guess that’s what they’re calling that they’re in DC these days.

Evan Nappen 35:32

The Seed Shop, Dale, Indiana. Herrera Gun Store, Bluffton, South Carolina. Springfield Nuclear Power Plant, Goose Creek, South Carolina. WashU, Concord, Mass. Dilligaf. Now you know what D, I, L, L, I, G, A, F, stands for? Of course, that’s a great one. Dilligaf from Oregon. Ephemeral, Inc, Berlin, California. East Coast Rebel Militia in Delaware. Taco John’s in Texas. Chez Moi in Woodstock, Georgia. Pete’s Auto Repair in Ferndale, Washington. Ventura GLAD in Thousand Oaks, California. Jersey Girl Brewing in Hackettstown. Camden Thomas in Waverly, Iowa. The FBI in Newark, two requests there. LLC, llc, Sterling, Virginia. Flambeau Inc in Wisconsin. J&R Supply in Hudson, Florida. Aft in Trenton, New Jersey. Cycles and more from Tennessee. Cyber Security from Freedom, Indiana. Windridge and FGC both of them from Texas. Wade Enterprises from Florida. Working on a name from California, about seven or eight of them. Sofa King from California. Sofa King. I get it. Bill Bob’s Candle Shop, Opelika, Alabama. FURIGHTS, Washington, District of Columbia. Loras College, Iowa. NRA in Dayton, Ohio. Camilla’s Pet Disposal in Cherry Hill, New Jersey. Right’s Coffee & Tea, Cherry Hill, New Jersey. AFT, Phoenix, Arizona. Jip llc, Springfield, Virginia. Jager Inc, Gurley, Alabama. Construction Subcontractor, Lacy, Washington. Can you believe how many are just out-of-staters? Must like grabbing stickers. I love it.

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Evan Nappen 38:10

Huddy’s Inn, Colts Neck. Res Natura, Newark, New Jersey. Your Mom Incorporated, about 1,2,3,4,5,6, a whole bunch of them. Oh, here’s about eight of these. Ready? Dick Handlers, and that’s from Tyler, Texas. Dick Handlers requested a whole bunch of stickers. So did Peeon2nd, Pee on the second, and that’s from Tyler, Texas. And then Dick Handlers, again, about a dozen of them from Tyler. Tyler must have done now, no 20 of them there. Congratulations to Tyler with Dick Handlers and Peeon2nd for getting a whole bunch of free stickers from Jersey. TownSquare Diner, Wharton, New Jersey. Rusty Rail Brewing, Mifflinburg, PA. Beachside Condos, Hampton, New Hampshire. ATF, Washington, New Jeersey. No, Washington, DC. Sorry, that’s an easy one to mix up. Anti-gun store, Oregon. Walmart, Newcastle, Pennsylvania. Tyler’s at it again, folks. Unconstitutional Tyrants, a whole bunch of them. Freedom Squashers, another one from Tyler. Then a whole bunch of Dick Handlers, maybe a dozen, then a whole other UnconstitutionalBS from Tyler. Then a whole bunch more Dick Handlers from Tyler. Oh, he’s taking up an entire page on the spreadsheet, good for Tyler. Then he takes up a whole other page with GobacktoDC, a whole bunch of them and then Unconstitutional Tyrants. Another entire page of them, dozens and dozens from Tyler. He was having a grand old time. Then a whole other page from Tyler of Dick Handlers and Come and Take It, come and take it. And Evil Ryrants and P.O.S. Tyrants. We know what P.O.S. means.

Evan Nappen 40:18

Then the American Legion in Sayreville. Frederick Dempsey Post 266 of the American Legion in Neptune. Southwood Bar & Grill, West Deptford. Squan Tavern, Manasquan. 1911 Smokehouse Group, Trenton. Plymouth Group, Bronx, New York. New Jersey License Beverage Association, Trenton. Gateway Bar & Liquors in Atlantic Highlands. SelfCorp in North Carolina. BATFE in New Jersey. Farmers & Bankers Brewing in Woodstown, New Jersey. Then, here we are. Tyler’s at it again, folks. Remember Ruby Ridge, five of them. Then Leave the US, three of them, and then an uncountable number of Dick Handlers, taking up a whole other page. Now we get to Bogeys Sport Bar in Clifton. Squan Tavern, Manasquan. Millstone Wine and liquor in Franklin Park. James Glynn Inc, Jersey City. Manchester Township in Manchester. West Patterson Liquor, Woodland Park. Plumstead Township of New Egypt. Cherry Hill Brewing in Cherry Hill. Just Street Deli in Vermont. Jimmy Geez north and Jimmy Geez, that’s both. One’s in Oak Ridge, and one’s in Haledon. Cherry Hill Women’s Center. And that’s in Cherry Hill, of course. Wolfe & Kron Books in Asbury Park. I’m glad they like the First Amendment there, but I guess they don’t like the Second Amendment there.

Evan Nappen 42:03

Cabeza de la Vaca, Big Spring, Texas. Neher Data Systems, Tinton Falls. Safe Care Ambulance, Forked River. Middlesex Elks in Middlesex. Forked River Fire Department. Club Eclipse, Newark. First Baptist Church, Morrestown. Yet, as you know, houses of worship are not a sensitive place. Jerzee’s in Asbury. Maize Westfield in Florham Park. McLaughlin Stauffer & Shaklee PC in Wall. Wingcraft LLC in Atlantic City. Bobby Corp, Hamilton/ Cherry’s zlounge in Jersey City. Old Town Pub, Bordentown. Domes Meus, that’s in Ohio. I don’t know what it is. Fox House Brewing in Bordentown. Anglesea Aleworks, Wildwood. Tomasella Winery, Hammonton. Township of Woodbridge, Woodbridge Township. American Legion Post 294, Pemberton. American Legion Department of New Jersey, Waretown. Greenbriar Oceanaire Community, Waretown. American Legion Post 209, Scotch Plains.

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American Legion Post 450, Pequannock. American Legion Post 470 Kenilworth. Mystic Island American Legion Post 493, Little Egg Harbor. American Legion Post 86 in Newton.

Evan Nappen 43:45

Some clubs in Camden and Sicklerville. It just says Clu. ECLC Inc in Newark. Horseshoe Tavern, Morristown. JJ’s bar and Package Goods, Sandyston. Brookdale Community College, Tinton Falls. Cape May Brewery in Rio Grande. Ortley Beach Moose Lodge 399 in Seaside Heights. Vs services in Plainsboro. LK Group in Manville. LisasTipsyCorner in Paterson. Sontort Food Services dba Brunello Trat in Flemington. Tir na nOg in Trenton. Brotherhood of United Firefighters in Camden. BPC Restaurant Management, Garwood. Paulsboro Sportsmen’s Association requested three in Paulsboro, New Jersey, for whatever reason. Harmony Township, Phillipsburg. Blue Sunday Bar & Grill, Linden. Bella Vista Country Club in Marlboro. By the way, the Blue Sunday is in Linden. Mahwah Wine and Liquors, Mahwau. East Hanover Police in East Hanover. Cenzino Restaurant in Oakland Borough, New Jersey. Tankard Pub, Burlington. 412 Lounge & Latin Bar in New Jersey. Blackwood VFW Post 7927, Blackwood. Freddie’s Dugout in Paterson. Patten Point Yacht Club, Long Branch. Township of Irvington. Striped Lion Distilling in Woodbury. Bowling Alley in Egg Harbor Township. Mauricetown Gun Club in Millville. Union Plaza, Haslet. Club Eclipse, Newark. The Asbury Hotel in Asbury Park. Vizzini Corp in Lyndhurst. OT imports in South Carolina. FFGO in Illinois. I hate liberals.com, Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania. Subway, Paramus, New Jersey. US Hazards, Berea, Ohio. Brazos Valley Service Rifle Association in Lyons, Texas. Golden Eagle Program Dallas, Texas.

Evan Nappen 46:20

Hammonton Discount Liquor in Hammonton, New Jersey. Wilshire Caterers in West Orange, New Jersey. Pete & Elda’s Bar in Neptune City. Triangle Liquors in Camden. Camden Arts Yard, Voorhees. Sophie’s II Bar, Camden. Pride of Camden in Camden. Eddie’s 2 Liquor Store. Eddie’s Liquor Store in Collins, with the other one is in Camden. Tom Liquor Store in Camden. Haddon Liquor Store, Pennsauken. Various liquor stores in Camden. Keep in mind that liquor stores are not a sensitive place because it’s not consumed there, unless they have bars there, too. Bars and restaurants with no names throughout Camden and Pennsauken. Liquor stores and nightclubs with no names.

Evan Nappen 47:20

There you have it. The complete list of those who requested “Gun Free Zone” stickers. Many, many, many are from out of state. Many may have been simply done because of opposition research by gun clubs. Of course, without a doubt, our hero is Tyler, Texas. They had a great deal of fun and let their beliefs be known in a way that we can all appreciate. So, I thought you’d enjoy that. Any of the places that you may have recognized there that are legitimately trying to oppress our gun rights, I wouldn’t give my business to them.

Evan Nappen 48:16

Now, of course, we have the famous and most popular segment of the show, which is the GOFU. Today’s GOFU is, don’t put your guns or store your guns in ovens. Yes, I’m not kidding. This is from an article by Tom Knighton. (https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/09/10/this-is-why-you-shouldnt- store-guns-in-ovens-n1226171) He picked up on this report, and I appreciate his writing as well. And what he said is police in Virginia have issued a warning for people not to store guns or anything else

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inside their ovens after a frightening incident, Chesterfield Police said last week. Firefighters responded to a home after the owner’s oven exploded. An investigation revealed that someone turned on the oven with a handgun inside. The weapon heated up and five rounds went off.

Evan Nappen 49:14

Okay, folks, get a gun safe. Secure it properly. Do not keep your guns in the oven. Do you have to write this one down? I hope not. There are many important things that do work well in an oven, like food and baked goods and other things, but guns, especially loaded, guns, do not belong in there. I don’t want to test how much heat a Glock can take. You just have a melted mess anyway, at least of the polymer parts. Plus, if it’s loaded, the round is contained in the barrels or cylinders, and they will present a danger if they cook off, as opposed to rounds that are loosely thrown in a fire where they’re not contained. Contrary to what you may have seen in the movie, those actually do not pose any substantial danger. The round has to be in a barrel or chamber for the pressure to actually have effect.

Evan Nappen 50:26

You don’t have to take my word for it. You can read about Hatcher’s famous book. In Hatcher’s notebook, the army and military did experiments on that very thing, ammo in fires, and they made these tests and studies and determined that. But if you put your gun in an oven and it’s loaded and the rounds cook off, you’ve got problems. And of course, you’ll be charged, because that would count as an accidental discharge. Then, of course, you’ll face the Gulag. If the gun rights oppressors here have their way, and even if they don’t, you’ll still face serious problems anyway, even if you’re not held without bail until your trial in the DPRNJ.

Evan Nappen 51:15

This is Evan Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

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Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state.

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