Jonathan Escoffery, Celeste Chan, and T. K. Rex discuss education without a safety net, the intersection of racism, capitalism and belonging, ticking clocks and how to break them, finding Jamaican patties in the Bay Area, the intimacy of the second person, and needing the fear.

Stuff we talked about in the episode:

• If I Survive You - novel by Jonathan Escoffery
• Apex snap judgment panels
• Paul Beatty 
• Percival Everett
• Mat Johnson
• Nicole Dennis-Benn
• Marlon James
• Jennine Capó Crucet
• Toni Morrison
• Nella Larsen
• Langston Hughes
• Zora Neal Hurston
• Frederick Douglass
• The Wallace Stegner Fellowship
• A Lucky Man - novel by Jamel Brinkley
• Boston Writers of Color
• The Loft - Minneapolis-based org for writers
• The Booker Prizes

Jonathan's recommendations for Jamaican patties in the Bay Area:

• Calabash
• Minto’s Jamaican Juice Bar
• Level 13