This week I appeared as a guest on Aeon Byte Gnostic Radio. I’m going to make that YouTube video this week’s episode. The interview went well and the viewers like it very much, judging by their Comments of the episode. I’m including the YouTube link here on the transcript. The episode is called “What Is The Gnostic Pleroma? ”

The episode lasts an hour and a half. People in Comments said it was their favorite episode from Aeon Byte. Seemed to cause quite a positive stir among the viewers.

It’s funny, when the interview was over and we were saying our goodbyes, I failed to say “onward and upward” to Miguel and he noticed and called me out on it. He wanted to hear the blessing! Isn’t that sweet?

On this Aeon Byte appearance I also give a reading of my new kiddie book “Children of the Fullness: A Gnostic Myth.”

I encourage you to go watch it and let me know what you think.

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Thank you,

ONWARD AND UPWARD! AND GOD BLESS.

cyd

Here’s the YouTube transcript of the interview below.

My name is Miguel Connor and I am still your pompatus of Gnosis– that man across the waters of creation. And good to see everybody on this moon day. And very excited today because we will be discussing a topic that is very important and often uh misunderstood about Gnosticism and that is the pleroma. And I can’t think of anybody better to engage in this conversation than our guest Dr. Cyd Ropp. She will be discussing her new work, Children of the Fullness: A Gnostic Gospel. And of course, we will touch upon the great ideas from her other recent book,  A Simple Explanation of the Gnostic Gospel. And yeah, check it out. Definitely check it out if you’re looking for a good audio book. I do the narration and you will be taken on an amazing Gnostic journey of awakening that is useful for you.

Cyd, thank you very much as always for coming to the virtual Alexandria.

My pleasure. I always like to be here. Thanks, Miguel.

We always like to have you here. Life the the world is better. Well, the world is the world, but at least uh the psyche is better. And with us, too, we got Mr. Graham Pong. Graham, how are you doing on a Monday? Are you Garfield or something other? Oh, no. I’m something other. I’m definitely uh this week I’m much more a fan of one of my favorite uh existential philosophers, Alfred E. Newman. You know “what me worry?” seems to be the answer to this mad world we’re in.

Exactly. Exactly. There are answers and you got to find them where you find them. Again, I keep quoting Julian of Norwich. “All shall be well and all shall be well and all manner things shall be well.” It’s going to be okay. And certainly Cyd’s work and mining the Valentinian Tripartite Tractate tells us that.

So uh well where do we start? First we want to look at your new book. We’ll talk about the pleroma but first Children of the Fullness. This is something you’ve been working for on for a long time, right Cyd?

Well, one of my listeners, I also have a podcast– Gnostic Insights– and one of my listeners suggested a children’s book. She’s a young mom, little kids. She goes, “I can’t find any Gnostic children’s books.” And I believe that I have written the first ever Gnostic kiddie book. And it’s ironic because people have this idea–and of course the way a lot of gnosticism is presented, it is very labyrinthian– but they have this idea that gnosis is impossible to achieve or it’s so difficult how can we grasp it? And I have actually simplified it down to uh well the book is  34 pages long but it’s double page spreads like kiddie books are. It’s a big size book and so it’s actually simplified down to only 17 story boards that aged 2 to eight can understand. And really, their parents. I’m thinking they’re the ones that are going to be sapping it up the most—the people that are reading this book to the kids. So, it’s very exciting to be able to produce a book in a cartoon type of way for little ones that’s true.

Brilliant idea. Love it. Love it so much. And what’s was the process? I mean, your process was to even simplify it more while it’s still understandable. The script. Yeah. How did you find an artist? What was the process?

Okay, I’ll tell you the whole thing. First of all, the whole simple thing because I want to mention that to people. I believe in simplicity. Truth is simple. The more excess verbiage you slap on it, generally the further it wanders from the simplicity of truth. And the most profound truths are the simplest. So whenever I write anything, I’m not only thinking of writing to us humans, I think of my dog as if I were trying to teach my dog gnosis. What could that dog understand? Or a flower. What does a flower know of God and the Fullness? And so I simplify all gnosis down to what all of us creation creatures– the second order powers—that we’ll talk about when we talk pleromas– that any second order power can understand. So, to simplify the Gnostic gospel down to a 2 to 8 year-old level is no big deal because it just simplifies it even more clearly.

So what I did was I took the Tripartite Tractate of the Nag Hammadi– and that is a Valentinian book. Uh it doesn’t have a lot of the extraneous mythologies that most of the other books of the Nag Hammadi have. It’s more of a point A to point Z type of book and a roll out of cosmology. So I just took the Tripartite story of the fall of the Aeon known as Logos. His splitting into two. He flees back up to the Fullness and his egoic self that caused the fall in the first place stays down below and that becomes the god of this universe. The Demiurge. Anyway, I didn’t want to use big words and nonfamiliar gnostic words in the telling of the text. So I don’t use words like Aeons, Fullness, hierarchy, demiurge. I make them words that people are more familiar with because I’m assuming this is going to be a non-gnostic audience that just kind of bumbles across this kids book. I’m hoping. And so I call the Aeons angels to simplify things. And I just call the demiurge the dark twin. And it just goes like that.

I found an artist on Fiverr. You know, the Fiverr app. We know Fiverr because we’re tech people, but most people that I talk to don’t know what Fiverr is. And if you don’t out there who are listening, Fiverr is like Uber, only instead of calling for a car, you’re calling for an artist or a composer or an illustrator of some sort. So, I put a notice on Fiverr that I wanted a children’s book illustrator. And then I looked at all of their samples and I picked a guy, a wonderful guy in Indonesia. And he was very helpful, barely spoke English. But we got the points across and I think he has drawn a beautiful book that completely illustrates the gnosis I was trying to get across.

Awesome. That’s the story. Great job.

And now it’s on Amazon now as an ebook Kindle and as a paperback, but I wanted it in hardback too so that libraries would stock it. So I had to go to a different printer than Amazon because they won’t do an 8” by 8” children’s hardback book. So I had to go to a different printer and now I’m pushing it through– talk about labyrinthian– I’m pushing it through these various types of outlets that librarians use and trying to get it on shelves. That’s the plan.

Awesome. Yeah. Very excited. Yeah, very excited indeed. So I guess the question as uh we move on — would be what is the pleroma? I mean traditionally obviously to geek out uh the Valentinians of course saw Paul’s writings and they thought oh my god it’s full of cryptic symbolism and you know, you know like we do watch a band we see and we read a book and it may be cryptical and we go gaga over it. We all do it. But to the Valentinians, Paul had this amazing secret symbolism. And when they would say, you know, Christ is the Fullness of God incarnate. You know, the pleroma Fullness. And it appears in Ephesians, Colossians, they’re like, what is this? What is this Fullness? It must be the divine realm. And they saw it as, you know, the capacities of God, the mind of God, the potentials. And other Gnostics, the Sethians would call it the eternal realm. and the Manichaeans the treasury of light and so it became, again to simplify, like the hermetics it’s the capacities of the mind of God– the potentials and personhood– god knowing his own aspects and flowing out in this perfect realm until Logos or Sophia had other plans.They were going to disrupt the first kingdom or they were going to rebel. But is that it? Or tell us how you see the pleroma.

Sure, except I don’t think of that. Well, you know, I’m not a historian. I really don’t even like history much. I am a philosopher and I look at the works themselves. So, when I read the Tripartite Tractate, what I see are the truths behind what Paul wrote, not derivative from Paul. I  think that they go side by side. I actually think it should be one of the books of the Bible of the New Testament. And it fits right there between the last book of the Old Testament and the first book of the New Testament. It squeezes into that space as far as time and thoughts go. So what the pleroma means is the Fullness of God. And yes, the Fullness of God is referred to throughout the New Testament especially. But I think when they, when the Nicene Council stripped the Valentinianism out of the New Testament, it took away what it meant.

So actually, and that’s not the only term in the in the New Testament where we’ve lost the actual intent of meaning of Fullness. And it doesn’t just mean, oh, God is great. God is full. God is so big and ungraspable. That’s not what Fullness means. The pleroma is the– Okay, so God wanted to be known. It says that throughout the Bible. God, and we’re talking about the God above all gods, by the way. We’re not talking about the God of this world or the God of the Old Testament. We’re talking about the Father. And I believe that when Jesus referred to the Father or when he wanted us to pray “My Father who art in heaven,” or the ethereal plane, he’s talking about the ultimate consciousness, the ground state of everything. But God is illimitable and omnipotent and everywhere and knows everything. There’s no way we can know God. But God wants to be known. God doesn’t want to be up there all alone. So God emanated a monad, a person of himself. And in Christianity, that’s called the Son. It’s simply the emanation or the encapsulation of the otherwise illimitable God. And so the Son is also though the first pleroma. He’s the Fullness. And this moment–  there’s no time in the ethereal plane — but the instant that the Son was emanated from the Father, he split into all of his variables is what we would call it in math or science nowadays. So he wasn’t just a single monad. He was an infinite array. And this is where I differ from a lot of the other gnostics. They think there are is x number of Aeons, but there’s not. It doesn’t make any sense. The Father is infinite. The Son is infinite in his capacity and in his scope. So if you differentiate infinity, well there’s an infinite number of differentiations. And so I think that there are, in the Fullness of God, an infinite number of differentiations.

And at first they were one. They were coexistent with the Son and they had no self-identity at all. So that really didn’t do the Father much good. Yeah, he’s sitting there. The Son and the Father are glorifying each other, but that doesn’t go anywhere. And so they wanted to emanate and that’s how we come into being. But we’re down downstream a bit. So the Fullness that first differentiated didn’t have self-awareness but in their giving glory to the Son and the Father– or the first emanation and the ground state of consciousness if you don’t like the word Son and Father, that is really immaterial what the words are– it’s the concepts that count. Alright, anyway, as soon as the Fullness became self-aware then all those infinities of fullnesses or totalities, made themselves into a hierarchy. And a hierarchy looks like a pyramid just because that’s what a hierarchy looks like. The higher the fewer.

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Can we put up the little slide? Oh, I’m I’m looking at a picture of a pyramid down here on your on your desk.

Yeah. Let me put it up for the audience. Where is Here you go. There you go. Okay. So this is how I conceive of the

original hierarchy of the Fullness of God. And this is supposed to represent an infinity of a Aeons. Aeo ns. And

that’s one of the mistakes that that’s one of the words that’s been lost out of Christianity. When they use the word Aeon

in the New Testament, they translate it as a unit of time, but it isn’t necessarily a unit of time.

It’s just as likely to be a unit of consciousness. And that’s a very exciting concept. So these Aeons are all

conscious self-aware beings who have a place, an identity, a job to do. They’ve

got neighbors on either side. They know where they are, who they belong to, and

what their job is. And they sorted themselves. Hierarchy is not a nasty

word. They they sorted themselves. My feet do not feel less important than my

head. I need my feet just as much as my head. So anyway, so that’s the original

Fullness. Your head’s not exploiting your feet with taxes and saying that’s right. That’s right.

That that comes out of the demiurgic imitation of these things. So here we have a picture of the

original hierarchy of the Aeons of God or the Fullness of God. And this is

encapsulating the entire entirety of the Son of God. And then right up there on

the very top is a fractal of the Fullness of God in the Tripartite

trackct date. The Aeon who is the top Aeon, the last Aeon to be produced, the

most perfect and complete. He had miniatures of all the other Aeons of the

Fullness of God within his own pleroma. So you’re seeing a pleroma of and in in

our Tripartite tractate reading of the gnostic gospel that is called Logos.

That top the capstone of the pyramid is Logos and that’s his fractal pleroma

sitting on top of the great pleroma of the Fullness of God. So those are called

the first order of powers

and everything. Everything is well until it wasn’t. Right.

That’s right. That’s right. All is good. And they’re in complete harmony even though they have identities which means

they have egos. And ego isn’t necessarily a bad name. It’s just your identity. It’s like an address in a

name. It doesn’t have to mean I’m an Aeon with a name and I’m full of myself. No, it’s

just I’m this Aeon and I sit right about in the middle and I’ve got these neighbors and this is my job. That’s all

it meant. So, uh so that’s that’s the

first order of powers. All right. And then well then as they

say what went wrong? I mean we’re talking about the definition of nostism which is outdated because Hans Jonas

assumed there had to be a Sophia. This is pre- Nagamadari library but as we can see

Sophia isn’t the cause of the fall in this one in this no Logos is the cause of the fall but

Logos means all knowledge all knowledge and logic thinking the ability to have wisdom

and Sophia means wisdom they’re both Greek words so I believe that they are interchangeable concepts they are the

Aeon with the wisdom who is elevated to the top position and of

This came down in a fractured form into Christianity as Lucifer, the angel of

light who’s sitting at the top who falls. So, Logos because in my way of

interpreting events and I’m the one that’s calling Logos his pleroma as fractals because it says

in the uh Tripartite trackct date that Logos did contain

all of the others within him only smaller lesser

but he was given wisdom and of course has free will because all Aeons have free will because everything that proceeds

from the originating consciousness has free will and we are all from the

originating consciousness. So we have all of the attributes of the Father. We have love, we have

consciousness, we have free will, we have entity

and uh Logos made a mistake. He was trying to do a good thing in the

uh in the in the Tripartite track day. It’s it’s it’s the only book I believe

of the Nag Hammadi that says ah you know don’t condemn the Aeon who fell because

he his fall was necessary to bring about the next order to come. So apparently

it was in the Aeons’s minds. They’re sitting there dreaming of this place,

this creation. They they conceived of everything that would ever come to be because they are after all the mind of

God. Mhm. And so he’s a fractal of that and he thought of it too, but he didn’t realize

he was supposed to stick on top of the pleroma and just be like the the head of

it. He thought he could do it all by himself. So he overreached. He tried to bring the Fullness to the Father and

plug directly back into the Father the way the Son does because the Son still plugs into the Father but everybody else

is further away because if we were to pl if you and I were trying to plug back

into the Father we would be annihilated is the word used in the Tripartite

tractate so it’s not a good idea he tried to plug in the Father said no you will be annihilated push him back out

And instead of going back to his place in the Fullness, he fell. And it is that

is the fall. Not Adam and Eve. The fall is when the Aeon fell from the ethereal

plane out into what? Nothingness. And now that becomes our material

universe, the cosmos. Exactly. And then so of course now we we

have the rescue operation. Yes. The rest of your operation of little Logos. Poor little Logos.

That’s right. Logos is out. He’s He fell. He cracked open like uh

Humpty Dumpty. Humpty Dumpty. That’s right. And um his pleroma was no longer in that neat and

tidy hierarchical arrangement and it just spilled out all over the place and

it wouldn’t obey him. Logos is trying down there saying, “Come on back. What are you doing? Where you going?” And

they just go, “Ah, screw you.” And they just went rolling on their merry way. And he couldn’t get them back. And he

was horrified. Logos was horrified. And so children, children, this is

so he actually abandoned them. He he couldn’t get anything done. So because the rescue operation was initiated

though by the Fullness of God, they pulled him back up. He didn’t get back up on his own. The Fullness prayed for

him and Logos went back up. And then

altogether Logos and the Plleoma prayed for salvation for the mess that had been

come into existence down below and for the ego of Logos which stayed down below

uh which has been given the name the Demiurge. And they want to save the

Demiurge because he’s part of Logos. He needs to be reunited. And so that’s the

rescue operation. Clean up this material mess and bring the Demiurge back up

high. And then everything that came of that except the shadows and the

imitations that didn’t exist from the beginning, but everything from the beh everything from the beginning will go

back up into the ethereal plane. Mhm. No, makes sense. And then but uh we

humans are this as you say or as the tripart tract is said we’re the second

order powers. We’re different. Okay. Right. Yes. The the next pleroma

the second economy it’s called. The first economy is that first plurle

of the Aeons and Logos. The second economy is down here now in the material

cosmos. And we living creatures with consciousness,

with love, and with the power of the Fullness. We were fruited like a like a

slime mold. We were fruited down here into this otherwise completely dead

creation down below because the split off ego of Logos that stayed down below

the demiurge has no power from God. It doesn’t have the consciousness or the

direct flow. It’s a flow of consciousness directly from the Father through the Son through the hierarchy of

the Fullness that being the uh first order of powers and then we were fruited down here and

we’re the second order of powers. Every living thing, everything that is germinated and grows.

The demiurge can’t grow anything. All he can do is put broken things together and we call that matter. We call that

material. Sounds like my ego in relationships. Well, we are Good point though. We’re

fractals of the whole fall. We’re fract Everything’s fractally nested. It’s all

fractals. So everything we say about Logos and the demiurge, Logos and his

fallen twin happens to us too because we as children of God, we have the Fullness

inside of us. there. Our little oam and our little sperm have the Fullness of

God and they get together and we are now channeling the Fullness of God and the

love and consciousness. So we have the Fullness of God. We’re born with remembrance. We’re called those of the

good thought, those of the remembrance. Whereas matter has no remembrance. It is

not of the good thought. It was of an egoic overreach.

So yeah, we can identify the Logos and the demiurge because they are parts of

us. Matter of fact, we second order powers. Although we came with the purity of the

first order powers within us, that’s our big S self. I call it not our big ass

self, but our big S self. Uh uh that’s our, you know, our our

golden self inside. That is the god inside of us. But we are melded to this

material world when we come in. Obviously that little spark of life. You

do you know that when a have you heard this Miguel that when a sperm fertilizes an OAM a spark of a photon of light is

emitted? I have. Yes. That’s that’s really a fascinating thought, isn’t it? Yeah. So, so we’ve got this uh uh life

and light inside of us, but then we’re slapped onto these molecules as we grow

upward with our molecular bodies. And so, we are part Demiurge and we are

part uh Fullness of God. And that’s that good angel bad angel business and why we

reach down instead of looking up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, interesting

comment. I just my questions are are we saved by his blood sacrifice on the cross or is that a demonic lie? So,

tripart track. Who is Jesus? Who’s big J? All right, I’ve got this phone. Jesus.

This darn phone. Okay. Jesus is the second order embodiment

of Christ. Christ and Jesus are not

ex they Jesus embodies Christ. Jesus is the only second order power to ever

fully embody Christ. So he was born that’s why the whole bit about uh part

God part man Jesus.

The blood I always wondered about the blood. I mean that that’s been one of the things I have contemplated all of my

life as I’ve walked with Jesus and I have walked with Jesus since I was about 5 years old. So I’m walking with the

man. I am a Christian. I am baptized. I am dipped in the Missouri River,

talking tongues, all of that kind of stuff. So um

Oh, now the other phone’s talking. I can’t hear it. It must be on your It must be on your side cuz I get

Man, I thought I muted it. I only muted the ringer as it turns out, but the voice is still yapping back there. I’m a

little ADHD, so I get distracted easily. Sorry about that. So, no. Uh, here’s

what the blood of Christ is. The blood of Christ is the complete embodiment of

the purity and Fullness of Christ. It is the bringing of Christ into this fallen

world. The blood dripping on the earth of this fallen world is part of the

redemption of the Demiurge. I think of Christ

apart from Jesus. I mean I love Jesus. I walk with Jesus. Jesus is my man.

However, Christ is still up in the ethereal plane. He’s called the third order of powers. He has a pleroma of his

own and it’s called the third order of powers and it outranks a second order of powers. And the third order of powers is

all of the mojo of the ethereal plane. It’s not just Logos and the Fullness praying for the redemption of the left

behind half of Logos, but it’s the complete Fullness of God and the Son of

God and the Father giving blessing to

redemption. And so the Christ embodies all of the power of the originating

consciousness. And he is what you could say the correcting algorithm

for the fall. And the correcting algorithm is needed because if you look

at it in a musical sense the pure tone of consciousness is one thing but when

it fell it got out of tune and we’re down here rolling around in

this disharmonic state. So the Christ is the hum of the Father and when Jesus

came he brought that hum with him and the blood of Jesus on the ground is not

a heresy I don’t think. Did that answer that question do you think? I think it does. No it makes perfect

sense. And for everybody else if you do have questions might not be able to get to it. Please super chat them so Graham

or I can get to them. And uh yeah uh really not much housekeeping. You want

to take a look at the children’s uh at the Children of the Fullness or show some of the other slides before cuz

Children of the Fullness of course we’ll simplify it in a podcast. Yes. But hey um housekeeping for a

moment. Since my stupid telephone over there answered and the person left a message, it’s going to go beep beep

every so often and everybody’s going to hear it. Don’t worry about it. If you Okay, if if you hear it, I’ll go and uh

you know throw the phone. Can you hear it? I don’t hear I didn’t even hear the phone ring.

Okay, good. Every I was going to say I heard it vaguely one time, but I haven’t heard it in a while.

You must have some noiseancelling stuff on your computer or something. Beep.

Okay. All right. What’s the question? You might be like the telltale heart or something. It

It is. It is. And it’s so annoying because I tell you what, 99% of the

phone calls I get are junk. They’re trying to sell me something. Of course,

they’re all trying to or they’re politicians trying to get me to contribute. God,

I can’t get them to stop. Stop. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome to this world of uh

Yeah. Too much technology, too much information. And I was going to ask do you want to uh jump on the children of

the Fullness or sure let’s do that because this will uh it’s quite a journey and for the audience uh please

check out our interview last year late 2024 if you want a more expanded uh view

of a simple uh explanation of the Gnostic gospel. But let’s pull up the uh

there you go. That’s not the one. Remove. There you go. There it is.

Okay. And just let me know when you want to switch the slide. Children of the Fullness, an ostic myth by Cyd Rob.

There we go. And you see, I depicted the Aeons as angels. And by the way, some

Aeons are angels, but not all Aeons are angels. But all angels are Aeons. How’s that for

a logical? But anyway, so yeah. Uh so but but for

the sake of it being a children’s book, these are these are the aonic families

having babies. And you know, I think I will not only look at the children’s book, but when we’re on each page, I’m

going to maybe explain briefly the depth behind that part of it too, right?

Sure. Of course. Okay. So let’s turn the page because we’ll turn the pages. Bob Seager saying,

“All right, so this is the first double page spread in the book. Long ago, in

the dark, empty sky, Father God dreamed of everything that would come to be. The

Father gave birth to a Son who shared with him all of his love and power.

And the Son brought forth angels to help him build the paradise his Father had imagined.” Now, I know a lot of people

don’t like the words Father and Son. Once again, don’t get hung up on labels.

It’s the concept that matters. So, you can call it the source. You can call it the base state or the base matrix of

consciousness. You can call the Son the emanation of the Father. I like to call

the Son the bucket dipped into the sea, but you won’t find that in anybody else’s uh uh gospel. So, uh the the

Father god dreamed of everything that would come to be. That’s because he’s omnipotent and and and knows everything,

right? So, the Son brought forth angels to help him build the paradise his Father had

imagined. And that is my way of simplifying this for a children’s book.

That’s what we talked about. This is going to be the first pleroma, the all the totalities of the all. And

they’re still all up in the ethereal plane. Okay. Turn. Okay. turn.

The angels gave glory to the Father and sang songs about his great power, love, and sweetness. Now, the the a the Aeons

that is their primary job is to commune with the Father and they like to give glory. And I I’ve often thought, you

know, sometimes it seems when you’re in church that the Father is like needy and

weedling for praise and glory. Oh, please. I want your praise. Worship me,

please. That isn’t what glory is. Glory is getting in tune with the originating

consciousness. It’s being in tune. And the way you get in tune is to give

glory. It’s not for the Father’s sake. It’s for our sake. It’s the way we uh

get in tune, I guess, is the thing you can say. And plus giving glory. It’s like when you’re at a let’s say you’re

at a concert. Let’s say you’re at a rock concert and somebody’s just done a great song and everybody screaming and going

yeah at the end. They love that’s giving glory. And it’s that feeling of wanting

to give glory that the that the Aeons do or that the angels do. It’s inherent

that if you were in the presence of God, there is nothing more that you would want to do than to applaud and go right

on. That’s it. So that’s what giving glory does.

And so the angels gave glory to the Father and sang songs about his sweetness, love, and power. And it is

through the process of giving glory to the Father in company with all the other Aeons.

So there’s an innumerable number of Aeons in that hierarchy of the Fullness of God. And they give glory together. They

give glory with their neighbors. They might give glory by themselves. They might all give glory together, but it’s

this sort of logarithmic expansion of ways you can give glory that create new

and more and more and more Aeons. So, it already started out as a huge thing. It was already the Fullness of God. But now

the angels are loving each other, the Father and the Son. They make angel families because they have so much love

to share because they’re combining. You see what I mean? Does that make sense?

Okay. And of course, every Aeon and in the book it’s called every angel had special talents and abilities and

together they dreamed of the Father’s paradise. So every Aeon is a variable of the Son.

Every Aeon has a unique talent and every combination of Aeons has a combination of

unique talents. So there might be an Aeon that like specializes in singing. There

might be a neon that specializes in art and guitar. Everything that we know, all of the talents that come down to us,

math, creativity, art, music. I play this instrument, you play that. They all

have Aeons. They all have Aeons in the Fullness of God. And we are their children. So each

of us people and and of course it’s true of every every living thing from the flowers and the bugs up through the

animals and us we are each a unique combination

of this combinatory quality that Aeons do. You know I don’t

know how many Aeons I’m a combination of. I know we’ve got like 50 trillion cells in our body. So we’re at least 50

trillion Aeons in us. But there’s also unique combinations. So that’s why my

primary talent is probably from Aeons who like to write and talk and sing. But

somebody else’s primary talent, they didn’t have so much of those guys, but they’ve got more of the visual arts

or more of the mathematical or the scientific logistical prowess. So you

were all unique combinations of this infinite pleroma of the first order of

powers. We are the second order of powers that are combinations of them. And so I’m saying uh angel families.

We’re part of the angel babies. And then we are sent down. You can turn.

And then you’re we’re sent down into uh this Fullness. Now, my version in the

children’s book of Logos sitting on the top with his fractals is this guy down

here. There’s little Logos with his halo, and he’s making a fractal copy.

He’s making a model of the ethereal plane. It’s just a uh, you know, a

representation of him being able to recreate the Fullness of God because

obviously that’s just a little baby model right there. But I I’m very proud of my um my illustrator who was able to

take that idea and do that. I think he did a great job of showing that that’s Logos and his fractal model of paradise.

And so reading it, it says the final angel born was very special because he knew the whole plan of paradise. His

name was Logos. Logos decided to build paradise all on his own without the other angels. He

wanted to surprise the Father with his gift of paradise. And of course, that’s what he was trying to do when he when he

fell. He was trying to bring paradise. Look, look what I built to the Father.

But that wasn’t the plan. And he shouldn’t have tried to plug back into the Father with it. And that’s why he

was repelled and fell back.

Next. So here’s Logos on the left page.

bringing his model of paradise up to the Father who was standing up on that cliff. Uh but when he tried to bring the

Father his gift, he fell all the way out of heaven.

There he goes. And Logos crashed into the darkness and broke apart and now he

was split in two. And you see on the far right there’s Logos going, “Oh my head.”

And that’s the uh that’s uh the demiurge crawling out from behind him. And you

see he’s not seeing that the demiurge is crawling out. He because he’s looking

the other way and he’s oh my head. But and the deurge isn’t really looking at him either. So neither of them realizes

what’s gone on there. All right, we can turn.

Okay. Logo was horrified and that’s a direct quote from the from the Tripartite

trackct date horrified by his shadow twin and broken paradise and he flew

back up to heaven. Now, I’m not making the story up, mind you. This is directly out of the Tripartite Tractate. And in

my big book, my big book,

there it is. This explains all of this in exquisite detail, I would say. Wouldn’t you,

Miguel? Yes. Yes. And as narrated by Miguel Connor. Yes.

You leave no Monad unturned. I do. I do not. We We tell the whole thing. They explain the whole thing. You

only have to want to understand. Now, by the way, I’ve given that book and I’ve

even given the children’s book now to many people and they’re like, I don’t

get it. I just don’t get it. I don’t see how you cannot get this children’s story for heaven’s sake. Here it is. You have

to have eyes to see and ears to hear and a heart to want to

understand. So this is what it means by saying that we must seek after the

gnosis. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink. I have done my

best to simplify the gnostic gospel all the way down so that anybody of any

education level. You don’t have to be a philosopher can understand it. You just have to have

an open mind and keep turning the page and it will make sense. It all falls into place. And here it is for two to

eight year olds. So come on, really? Anyway, Logos was horrified. He flew

back up to heaven because uh as we already mentioned, because the Plleoma

of the First Order of Powers was praying over the fall, and they were trying to make it better. So, first thing they did

was pull Logos back up. And there he is flying away, looking over his shoulder.

See, he’s looking back over his shoulder in horror. And there’s the Demiurge sitting there in this muddy broken place

and there’s nothing there. It’s all darkness. And then on the second page, the twin, I

don’t use the word demiurge because I’m trying to keep small words in the book. The twin forgot all about Logos and the

angels and the Father above. In fact, he thought he was God.

And innosticism, that’s another word for the Demiurge. What is it? the ignorant

god or the amnesic god. He doesn’t remember where he came from

because the knowing part of him beat it back up to the first order of powers. So

he was sadly abandoned down here in this mess. And you see the broken the broken

uh model of paradise which is simply a representation of the broken pleroma of

Logos. So it was fractals to begin with and then it broke apart.

So it wasn’t that paradise fell, it’s a fractal of

paradise. And I we’re just going to take it. You all know what fractal means by

now. If you don’t know what a fractal is, go back to one of our previous interviews, or go to um Gnostic

Insights, which is my podcast, and you can look it up. All there. It’s all there. Yeah. And

this obviously wonder where Jung got some of his ideas. It’s right here. Any Oh, yeah.

Shadow ego. It’s all here. Oh, well, you know that Jung purchased the Tripartite tract. That was the book

that Jung owned out of this otherwise untransated Egyptian codeex that was

found in the desert in 1945. And he had it translated directly from uh Coptic

Greek into German. And this is exactly where Jung

came up with his transpersonal psychology. It is tripartiteism.

There you go. There you go. For sure. All right, slide seven. So,

what’s going on here? Well, shadow god. The shadow god down below. And uh it’s

all darkness and ugly. You see, it’s matter. It’s material. There’s no life.

It’s just atoms and molecules and aggrids. It’s aggregates of minerals,

elements. And up above there’s Logos looking back down at his severed.

That’s part of him. Right? So he has been ripped apart. He is not whole. So his self is not his self. His

his good self, his one is up there in the clouds. It’s like uh Peter Pan looking for a

shadow. Right. That’s it. That Well, hey, now where did that author get that? Yeah. I wonder where he got that from.

No doubt. He must have been reading Jung at that point in time. The patient like and others.

That’s right. That’s right. So um as the book says, the shadow god tried building

the paradise Logos had imagined. But his creation lacked love and life because

you see he’s not a direct descendant of the Fullness like Logos’s self is. He’s

separated from that. So he doesn’t have the life of the Fullness of God. There

were no flowers or animals, only mud, water, and rocks. He could not make his

creations come to life. And there is a portion of a myth that made it into the Bible.

It I I clearly recall somewhere

God kneeling on the riverbank making a mud model of Adam. Isn’t that how Adam

was made out of the mud of the riverbank? And then his uh other gods

were standing around with them i.e. archons and they couldn’t get the damn

thing to come to life. Well, that’s because that god of that Old Testament

myth is the Demiurge and he could not bring life. He he made all these little models of rabbits and flowers and but he

couldn’t get them to come to life because he didn’t contain the life of the Father.

So, they just stayed dead down there. Next.

So, Logos and his friends, i.e. the first pleroma of the Fullness of God,

Logos and his friends decided to help out by sending angel babies down to

earth from the smallest to the largest. And that’s another cool thing about the Tripartite. It it it says from the

smallest to the largest all creatures came to earth which is like what

evolution thinks but we didn’t evolve from the smallest

to the largest. We were already precreated. This is a form of uh

intelligent design. We were precreated in the ethereal plane. We are the fruit

of the Fullness of God. And they had the whole plan of everything from the

beginning. See, so it’s not like uh these molecules had to get together and

uh have this certain kind of amino acids in the in the primordial soup and then

oh look there’s an there’s a single-sellled organism and then they get together and oh look there’s a an

amoeba and then it it doesn’t work like that. They come in already from the

smallest to the largest, but in order in the order of their coming. And it it

says all of this in the Tripartite tract date, which is 2,000 years old. And I

think that is pretty astounding. Um, so from the smallest to the largest,

they came down. And that that’s our little version of the angels throwing down all the living creatures. In this

way, Earth came alive with living plants and creatures. So, it’s not from the mud

up. It’s not from the Demiurge up or the primordial soup up. It’s from the

Fullness directly sending the living patterns of the creatures down.

Does that make sense? Mhm. That does. And there they come. Okay. Next.

All creatures were born with the memory of their angel parents and the Father in heaven. They loved everything and

everybody. They joined with others and made forests and meadows, families and

towns. And you see, since I think of the second order powers not only as us

humans, we we have too much focus on us. It’s all of the creatures. It’s all of

the animals. It’s all of the grasses and flowers and trees. They all know God. They all are

um unique combinatory results of various

Aeons of the Fullness of God. And so they joined with others and made forests and

meadows. It’s like what? We didn’t put together forest and meadows. No, the grasses joined with grasses and made

lawns. The forest joined with the trees joined with trees and made forests and

meadows. See, everything wants to go together. Everything is part

of that simple, you know, we haven’t talked about the uh simple explanation of the golden rule. That’s not part of

this talk. But that’s one of our uh it’s one of the attributes of God. It’s one

of the attributes of the original in the first pleroma is everybody works

together for the benefit of everyone. That’s the go that’s the real golden

rule. It’s not well I’ll do to you if you’ll do to me which is a quidd proquo

kind of bargain. That shouldn’t be the golden rule. The golden rule is no matter if I know you or not. No matter

if you love me or not, I will work with you so that we can make things better.

So that we can bring things together with the power of love. Because only

love can build. Hatred cannot make things better. She said to the people

today, hatred, nothing good comes from hatred. You can’t do it. It’s

antithetical. It’s the wrong category.

Only love from the Fullness above can spread love and only love can make

things better. And that is the golden rule. So that is why in this drawing we’re all born. Oh, we’re also called

the second order powers. Not just the people, but the grasses and the bees,

everything. Certainly the dogs and cats and horses. Everything comes with a

memory of the Fullness of God because that is where we come from. We aren’t evolved out of the mud. We aren’t

evolved out of single-sellled animals that happen to go to together out of

certain combinations of molecules. We are from above and we come in with the

life and the memory. So we are called those of the remembrance. All second

order powers are those of the remembrance. And so I like to think when I’m when I’m walking in the forest and

the trees are like, you know how they all try to find spots of light in a crowd of forest? They’ll lean this way

so they can catch that beam of light. You know what they’re doing? They’re reaching to God.

All of the green things that grow up are reaching upward to the Fullness. And I

use the word God and the Fullness of God interchangeably because we can’t understand the Father.

That is illimitable and nonunderstandable consciousness.

Hence the monad that came from the Father because we can understand the

bucket dipped into the sea. And then even more than that, we can understand the Aeons because they’re all the parts

of the Son and we are ionic. We are the children of the Aeons.

Okay. So they came down with love and everybody’s in love and they all joined together. But oh no. Oh no.

Then a terrible thing happened. The children forgot their job was to spread

love. They started fighting a neverending war. And again, this is

right out of the Tripartite Tractate. It’s called the never-ending war. And it

didn’t start with us fighting each other or with uh Republicans and Democrats or progressives and uh stick in the muds or

whatever you want to make the two sides. It came from matter.

The the fall of the Demiurge creating the mud which is a fallen version of

paradise. See the ethereal plane. You can do everything up there we imagine

paradise to be. And all all um cultures of the world have pretty

much the same vision of paradise. Everybody expects their family to be there. They expect it to be a good

loving place. They all want to go and be reunited. It’s all going to be so much better. No more pain, no more suffering,

no more anguish. So that’s paradise. That is where we came from. That’s why

we expect it because we are those of the remembrance. You see, we’re not making it up. We’re remembering it down.

So the neverending war is our remembrance of this ethereal plane.

Well, how come we’re down here in pain and disappointment and death and and

sadness in the mud? It’s because the mud is our material universe and we can’t

see through the mud. You up in paradise, you can see forever. I can see for miles

and miles as the who said, but down here you can only see what’s in front of you,

right? And that’s the fall. That’s the nature of the demiurge. He can only build

things molecularly. So that’s the beginning of the never- ending war. It’s the very fight we have

to stay alive with the material body. Entropy. Entropy

we could say is our enemy. Maybe entropy should be a nickname for the demiurge.

That’s a good one. I like that. I just came up with that. I like it.

Yeah. So because of the never- ending war, everyone thought they were more

important than others. Now each person wanted to be admired. They had no time

to be kind or to help their neighbors because they were taking so many selfies and posting them online cuz they’re so

cute. Look what I have. Look at me. Aren’t I pretty? Aren’t I strong?

So that is part of the never- ending war because there is no oneupmanship

in the in the hierarchy of the Fullness of God. Everyone’s got a different name, a different ego, a different job,

but everybody’s just as important as everybody else. And it’s just like in our body, you know, our our as an

analogy, and it’s not only an analogy, the pleroma of my my body is a pleroma. Your

body is a plumboma, right? It is a pleroma that consists of cells and organs and organ systems,

skin, heart, lungs, and they’re all just as important as any of the others

because as we all know, once one of those systems goes out, you probably only have days or hours to live or

minutes, right? So that’s what death is. It’s when uh cooperation

um within our pleroma fails. And by the way, cancer I think of as an

aronic attack. Cancer is trying to displace the life of the cells with

death. So that’s part of the and then it the more it takes over the more you are

dead. So anyway, society, when we all think we’re more important and want to be admired and we don’t have time for

other people, that is a breakdown of the golden rule, and it perpetuates the

sadness. Next, next. Here we go.

People grew sad and lonely. They thought they could buy happiness with lots of

toys and tasty food. And of course, it’s a kids book, so I’m emphasizing toys and

food. But hey, grown-ups have their toys, too. Right. So, we’re looking in this window of this apartment building

and and there’s all the people playing with their toys and eating their tasty foods and sitting on the couch playing

video games and standing in front of the mirror taking selfies and working out. Working out. Look at

me. Aren’t I strong? So, uh that doesn’t bring happiness. None of that. None of the things you see

in this window can bring happiness because they are not fulfilling the actual desire of our heart. And the

desire of our heart is to be one with the Fullness of God is to remember our

parents in heaven. So Logos and the angels prayed to the Father and Son to

send help to the world to remind everyone of love and their home in heaven because they don’t want us being

sad. Yep. Yep.

Now, now here’s where a lot of I think perhaps non-Christian gnostics get

turned off. They don’t like the idea of Jesus. They don’t like the idea of Christ. And by the same token, here’s

where the Christians get turned off. They don’t like the idea of Logos or the

fall or the Demiurge. And so we’re we have a neverending war within the gnosis

as well, don’t we? The factions ofnosticism. And I wish people would just understand

language is a it’s a second best lang this linear language that we speak,

these words coming out of my mouth one at a time. This is a uh very reduced and

limited form of communication in the Fullness in the ethereal plane or the in

between space whatever you want to call that place communication is globalized it’s

instantaneous it’s like thought bubbles now by the way Miguel I never mentioned

this to you before in any of our previous interviews but I’ve had such an experience here in this lifetime

when I first felt fell in love, deeply in love with my late husband. And we

were we were lying in bed one morning. And so we were and new love, you know,

that new fresh, oh my god, I’m so in love kind of thing. So we’re lying there totally in love,

just feeling love and the birds are singing outside and everything’s sweet. And the cat was drawn by the love. And

she had already proven the night before that she loved love because he had a

convertible. He had a Mustang convertible and we were sitting in his in in the front seat of his Mustang with

the top up um loving each other. Not having sex,

just loving each other. And uh the cat jumped up on the soft top and she was

lying right above us. You could see the bulge in the in the convertible top and

the purr. Her purr was floating down on us. It was a manifestation of love. And the

only reason she was there is because we were down here loving each other. And she was up there loving us and raining

down upon us with furs. Well, the very next morning, the first morning of love,

we’re lying there and the cat came in and she wanted to be with us. We were lying next to each other in the bed and

she laid across the two of us. So she like joined our uh thighs. She was lying

across our thighs. She joined our thighs together with her big cat body. And then this is really weird. And there

was no there were no drugs involved. This was first thing in the morning. These thought bubbles like soap bubbles.

Imagine a big soap bubble about the size of a basketball

floating out of her. She floated this gigantic soap bubble right out of her

head above us. And within the soap bubble, instantaneously with no words,

it said, “I love tuna fish. This cat loves me some tuna fish.” That’s what

she thought bubbled to us. Because you know, cats, what do they say? And so then I thought, well, that’s

pretty extraordinary. And so I floated a thought back to her. Yeah, tuna fish is good. And she got it. And so she and I

were floating these and they weren’t words. They were soap bubbles of a

thought about how much cats love tuna fish. Wow. Okay. So then about, you know, this all

went on for a long time and then she floated another soap bubble about love.

Isn’t love my isn’t love grand? I’m so glad there is love. That was her second

one. First was tuna. Second was love. And then then I started floating thoughts about love back at her.

And then we had all these soap bubbles floating above us. And then when she jumped off,

it’s like it’s it’s morning. Time to get up. And I said to Gary,

“Yo,” because there had been no words spoken all this time. And I and I turned to him for the first time and said,

“Well, then did what I just saw happen,

did you experience what I just experienced?” And he said, “Yeah,

thought bubbles about tuna.” So, it was like, it was pretty cool. It was very

exciting. Very cool. Anyway, and that has always stayed with me. So that concept that in heaven I communication is more or less

global and instantaneous. Uh that’s that mind readading sometimes people talk about in um you know near-death

experiences. Now I got off on that. I totally forgot where we were and what we were talking

about. Oh, that this is a limited form of communication. So don’t get hung up on words like uh Father and Son or

Jesus Christ savior. These are the words we use to express these otherwise global

bubbles of thought. That’s all I’m saying. And when you and and I’m saying

that because I’ve had people who try to start reading my books and they go, “Ah,

the vocabulary I don’t get it. I just, oh, these are new words. These are new. I I just don’t I don’t like the word

Father and Son. That’s so sucks. And it’s like, get off it. Get off it. That isn’t the point of any of it.

It’s our limited vocabulary. So, this uh double page spread. I eliminated the

word Christ and Jesus Christ because I didn’t want the Gnostics just to throw

down the book and go, “Ah, this is a bunch of Christian clap trap.” So I used the word prince of peace which seems to

me ought to be a nice neutral term. The prince of peace came to earth with

all of the power and love of the Father and Son. That’s scriptural from the

Tripartite trackct tape. He was called savior because he came to save everyone

and beloved because heaven and earth love him so much. And all these little

people here on the right side, those are the people that we were seeing in the previous page looking through that apartment window and they were all sad

and unhappy doing the things they were doing. And now the savior is embracing

everyone and he loves them and they love him and they’re happy. Now

next okay.

When everyone remembers the love of the Fullness and accepts the prince of peace, the twin of Logos will remember

too. Logos will become whole again. And see

there’s Logos up there at the top of the page waving at the demiurge. Hey, here

we are. See us. Do you remember us now? and and the the ego of Logos, i.e. the

Demiurge or what was the name we just came up for him? Uh entropy.

Oh yeah. Or also known as entropy.

He’s got a little tear in his eye because now he’s not alone anymore. He He’s not alone down here. And when when

I got this uh this artwork back from the artist,

I got all tearary because he was crying and it just I got all choked up. So of

course that is my hope for the readers that they will somehow get choked up when they this page

integration Logos and the shadow the demiurge. Yes.

Okay. And then on that day, and here we are in the third economy, the final economy,

what we call heaven. On that day, this fallen imitation

will become true paradise. Everyone who has ever lived will live

forever with their family and friends and the Fullness of the Father, Son, and

the Prince of Peace. There will be no more tears, only joy and love.

And there it is. See, in innosticism, this creation of the Demiurge,

this world that has been con constructed down here. It’s a knockoff. It’s called

the deficiency. It’s called the imitation. And what it is an imitation of is paradise. What it is deficient in

is life, love, and consciousness and the complete remembrance of the Father and

the Fullness and the Son. And so that’s what that

beloved savior brings to us. It’s the correction. It’s the true tone for our

souls. Now, here is a heresy. Well, okay. The first heresy that went by is

that the creator of our cosmos, the creator of the heavens and the earth, is

not God Almighty, but Lucifer, basically. And that, oh my gosh, what a

horrid thing to say. But the second, the next heresy

is that everyone’s going to heaven. Oh, that’s a not everyone’s going to heaven. Those bad people should all go to hell.

Go to hell, you. No. You see why? Because that’s not loving. That is not

the nature of the Father. The Father is all loving. And get this, in this

gnostic Christianity, we are the children of paradise. We are literally

we have we have our parental units here on earth, mom and dad. But we also have

our aonic parents, the ones that gave us our particular talents.

So we get our looks from mom and dad probably. mo for the most part, but we get our talent from the Fullness of God.

And so, um, this is that I I I I really I really

zeroed in on that concept and I can’t even remember how I began that sentence. I don’t know what I was talking about.

Ha. Oh, that everybody’s going to heaven. Oh, the second heresy, the big heresy is

that uh Yes. So Christ is Christ. You don’t have to worry about that Christians who may be watching this. And

Jesus is the incorporation of Christ. Jesus Christ savior. Good. On board with

that. See that’s Valentinian Christian Christianity which I count myself as

well not necessarily Valentinian but agnostic Christian.

And because we come here here was the point. I’m back on the train now. And because we come from the Fullness,

we have to return to the Fullness because why? Otherwise, it wouldn’t be full anymore. They are the Fullness of

God. We are from the Fullness. We all have to return to the Fullness or it

would be less than full. You see, isn’t that cool?

So, uh, God is all loving. And by the way, in the New Testament, it says over

and over again that Christ came to save everyone.

There were no quido pros, which means you did this for me, I’ll do

that for you. I’ll tell you what, if you bend your knee and say, Jesus, you are my Lord, I’ll let you go to heaven. That

is the wrong attitude. That isn’t why Christ came. He came with the correction

for us because we are forgetful and fighting a neverending war with the demi

urge and with this material space that we find ourselves in.

But we’re going back home because that’s home. This isn’t our home. And that’s

another thing it says in the in the Bible that we are sojourers passing through this world, right?

Lord, oh Lord, I have no home but you. If Jesus ain’t my home, then Lord, what

would I do? That is all true. And that is true for Gnostics as well. So

everyone will come back home because we are descendants of the Fullness of God.

So it’s not only the humans, but it’s every living thing. It’s all the grasses, everything you see in this

double page spread here, this picture of paradise. They were all down below and they’re all back up again. This is the

third economy. This is the ethereal plane integrated with the now redeemed

material plane where we have found ourselves stuck. So we are going home to

our aonic parents and we will live in paradise and be happy ever more. And by

the way, if it doesn’t happen before you die, it will certainly happen

as soon as you die. I don’t think you’re written out and thrown into the burning lake of fire forever uh to be tortured

by demons. That isn’t the nature of God. You see, God is love. And God wants us

all to come home. He doesn’t want to throw anyone away. And so, we will turn. But you have to turn. You have to want

to go home. Sometimes it seems down here in this world that people want to be bad

or people want to go to hell and bring others down with them