In the season finale of the podcast, Davey chats with NASCAR Cup Series champion crew chief Cliff Daniels on the whirlwind that was Phoenix and the days following, the reality of being a Cup champion, working with Jimmie Johnson compared to Kyle Larson, why he felt compelled to learn dirt racing to work with Larson, whether or not he’s sleeping now that the season is over and more. Plus, you won’t want to miss some iconic names in his family.

Tom Bowles joins Davey for a discussion surrounding the Next Gen car, including how it will race, how long it’ll take teams to adjust to it, Ryan Newman‘s safety comments and more. Plus, the duo dive into Daniels as a crew chief and rank him on the Mount Rushmore for shot callers.

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