In this episode of "Messages of Necessity," Tim Hoefer, Executive Director at the Empire Center, sits down with Roberta Schaefer, Adjunct Fellow, to discuss her report, "Better Results with Lower Spending: Public Education in Massachusetts and New York." The report highlights how Massachusetts outperforms New York in national assessments despite spending 36 percent less per student. They explore key differences in educational policies and recommendations for New York to improve its outcomes and manage costs effectively.