In this episode, Matt chats to Jonathan Franklin who is the author of 438 Days: An Extraordinary True Story of Survival at Sea. On November 17, 2012, a pair of fishermen left the coast of Mexico for a weekend fishing trip in the open Pacific. That night, a violent storm ambushed them as they were fishing eighty miles offshore. As gale-force winds and ten-foot waves pummeled their small, open boat from all sides and nearly capsized them, captain Salvador Alvarenga and his crewmate cut away a two-mile-long fishing line and began a desperate dash through crashing waves as they sought the safety of port. Tune in as Matt and Jonathan chat about the anti-suicide message behind the back, Jonathan's second book and surviving when all seems lost.