In this episode, Matt chats to James Daschuk. In arresting, but harrowing, prose, James Daschuk examines the roles that Old World diseases, climate, and, most disturbingly, Canadian politics—the politics of ethnocide—played in the deaths and subjugation of thousands of aboriginal people. Matt and James chat about people's emotions during this pandemic, systems that have been put in place to separate us as human beings and our unique histories.