What is the relative value of contribution versus creation? And what is your ideal pasta shape? [19:22]

This week, special guest Katie Sadow joins Jess and Joey to talk about Dan Pashman's cascatelli, the food industry caste order, rappers and basketball players, sauce pairings, mouth feel, and noodles. They don’t talk about at what point rice becomes pasta.

references

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• What in God’s Name Was Muzzy?
  
• Design for Divergence with Joey Camire at Seattle Interactive Conference 2021
  
• NPR's Planet Money podcast on Dan Pashman's pursuit of a new pasta shape
  
• Insider's explainer on the controversy at Bon Appétit
  
• Joy of Cooking, a kitchen classic
  
• Another kitchen classic: Julia Child's Mastering the Art of French Cooking
  
• The New York Times Cooking blog's Midnight Pasta recipe