In Episode 4, we dive into some of the hardest stories to sell to the local media, voters or (sometimes) ourselves - stories about the Environment.We talk to professional environmental advocates to find out what's working best for them when it comes to earning media, changing minds and moving the policy needle. Guests include Upper Neuse River Keeper Matt Starr and Environment NC Executive Director Drew Ball. Interviews on this episode include top state environmental Lobbiest Dan Crawford and one of the top environmental legal minds in the country, Frank Holleman with the Southern Environmental Law Center.Our hope is that the wisdom in this 45 minute conversation will help everyone do a better job of standing up for the Environment - from committed evangelists and professional advocates to weekend warriors eager to make their occasional elbow grease go a little farther.



Full interviews with Dan Crawford and Frank Holleman
























Our Pod's Cast



A huge thanks to our guests, without whom (obviously) we could not have made this podcast.



















Hosts





Jon Camp
Founder, Campsight Strategies

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Matt Starr
Upper Neuse Riverkeeper

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Panelists





Drew Ball
Environment NC

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Interviews





Dan Crawford
Environmental Lobbyist

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Frank Holleman
Environmental Lawyer (SELC)

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