Kris is a writer, photographer, and philosopher, and one of my best friends though we’ve actually never met each other in real life. I met him in a writers group on Duncan Trussell’s podcast forum, and we’ve spent 5 years talking to each other through the internet…

This is a wonderful conversation about how I recently experienced a mental earthquake when I released an offensive podcast and then regretted it completely, and then recognised my shame and admitted it publicly, and all the neurotic bullshit that goes along with that. The podcast we are discussing is the one directly preceding this one, Episode 34, about a social masturbation circle.

We discuss the merits and pain of humiliation, shame and self-assessment, and how to really learn from things that make you feel like a worm. To find out more about Kris, his website is https://www.kristopherdrummond.com/  and you can find him on Instagram here, and Facebook Here