Justin is a Graphic artist and a Musician from New Zealand; he played in a punk band called Not OK for 10 years, and when that came to an end, he had to seriously reconsider what he wanted to do with his life. Through some self-exploration (not just the dirty kind), determination and hard work, he put himself through school and became a Graphic Designer. Taking action and making shit, to him, is a matter of life and death - to stop is to drown. This is a conversation about what it takes to not give up on yourself, to push through hard shit, and to find your own meaning through taking action in your life.

Closure Optional is a podcast about people who push themselves to do things that mean something to them. From Fighters to Comedians to Doctors and Artists, I want to know what it is about people that makes them strive for something, and what gets in their way. I am a Muaythai Fighter, artist and writer, and I am constantly getting in my own way; by having raw, honest conversations with people who try and (fail heaps) then finally succeed, I am hoping I'll be able to help other people like me get out of our own way.