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This episode is hosted by Trevor. Today we have Alex Vitale, a Professor of Sociology and Coordinator of the Policing and Social Justice Project at Brooklyn College and a Visiting Professor at London Southbank University. He has spent the last 25 years writing about policing and consults both police departments and human rights organizations internationally. He also serves on the New York State Advisory Committee of the US Commission on Civil Rights. Prof. Vitale is the author of City of Disorder: How the Quality of Life Campaign Transformed New York Politics and The End of Policing. His academic writings on policing have appeared in Policing and Society, Police Practice and Research, Mobilization, and Contemporary Sociology. He is also a frequent essayist, whose writings have appeared in The NY Times, NY Daily News, The Nation, Vice News, Jacobin, and USA Today.

We discuss the current George Floyd and Breonna Taylor protests, and the recent efforts by Campaign Zero to enter the space advocating reformist measures such as implicit bias training and body cam rules, and why defunding and abolition measures are better. T. also takes some time to discuss the bourgeois coopting of the current movement on the ground by Black entertainers and executives.

Co-produced & edited by Aaron C. Schroeder / Pierced Ears Recording Co, Seattle WA (piercedearsmusic@gmail.com). Opening theme composed by T. Beaulieu. Closing theme composed by Dustfingaz (www.youtube.com/user/TheRazhu_)