*Originally aired May 19th, 2016

Dave Bulloch, director of Refuge Disability Ministry joins Jeff & Zack on the show! He talks us through the ups and downs of leading Refuge. We also dig into him growing up Mormon, why he left, how is he taking back the word "disability". Scott checks in via voicemail. Also Jeff explains twinky time, his ridiculous 3 point marriage plan, Bible heroes, & how Dave is like Maverick from Top Gun.