Anthony and Alex start this episode with chatter about the recent Home Start San Diego virtual fundraiser and what Anthony feels worked and what would he change in the future.  They are joined by singer, producer, performer, talent manager and musical educator Mattie Mills.  Mattie fills in Anthony and Alex on how she started turning heads with her Miss Legs title and her moment in the pageant world. Her fascinating time spent touring with Up With People. They discuss what Mattie has learned along the way and how that has contributed to her work, whether performing with Elton John, producing a show for SeaWorld, managing a 12-piece band or attending to her students needs.  Alex asks Mattie about how she balances work and personal life and they all muse about The Four Agreements.

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