Cal Newport is an Associate Professor of Computer Science at Georgetown University, and the author most recently of Deep Work, a book which argues that focus is the new I.Q. in the modern workplace, and So Good They Can’t Ignore You, a book which debunks the long-held belief that “follow your passion” is good advice.

Cal’s new book is Digital Minimalism: Choosing a Focused Life in a Noisy World

In this conversation, Cal and Erik talk about the premise of the book: Technology is intrinsically neither good nor bad. The key is using it to support your goals and values, rather than letting it use you.

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