Welcome to the Art, Life, Faith Podcast, and I’m your host, Roger Lowther.

This is the third in a series of conversations I’ve shared with you from Lausanne Congress 4, which took place September 22–28, 2024 in Seoul, South Korea. Because it was the 50th anniversary of the Lausanne Movement, it was the largest gathering yet, with over 5,000 people in person and another 2,000 online, plus over 200 nations were represented. I had so many amazing conversations, and I’m so glad that through these three episodes, you can get just a little peek into what God is doing around the world.

David

My name is David. It’s nice to meet Roger, my friend again.

Roger

Where do you serve?

David

I serve in the Sahara, region of Africa that comprises 15 countries. We are targeting Unreached People groups in 15 countries from Gambia, Senegal, Niger Republic, Nigeria, Chad, Sudan, Ethiopia, Djibuti, and Mali.

Roger

Are you a pastor?

David

I’m not the main pastor of the church, but I assist in pastoring, and I’m a missionary.

Roger

Great. Do you do something in the arts as well?

David

Yes, I’m a musician. I specialize in producing indigenous resources for Unreached People groups. I play the local instrument called the kora. I play the ngoni. I play the guitar.

Roger

I think I’ve heard you play one of those traditional instruments at a previous GCAMM conference. Is that right?

David

Yes, I brought my kora to GCAMM in Nairobi. I also played in GCAMM in the US.

Roger

I was at both of those events. It was beautiful. Thank you. And so what brought you to Korea?

David

I was invited to be part of the Congress. The work that I do needs more people. I need to be connected to people who are also doing the work that I’m doing. So I pray to God that I would be able to see people from Chad, people from Niger, people from Mali who are probably doing some of the things that I’m doing so I can collaborate and learn from them.

Roger

That’s one of the key themes of this whole congress, collaboration, isn’t it?

David

Yeah, collaboration is key. My ministry that I work with is Declare Global, and that’s one of the things we are doing. If you are going to really declare the gospel, it must be culturally relevant to the people you are reaching. And that’s one of the key things that I’m also learning from here.

Roger

Beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing.

David

Thank you for having me.

Roger

So I hear you have a story. Could you please share it with me?

Attendee

I grew up as a pastor’s kid using arts and ministry in different forms: singing and acting as a tool to reach out to people in evangelism. And then later on, I served in Cambodia in a cross-cultural setting. And I realized that using arts cross-culturally has to be different in our approach than when I was in the Philippines using arts and reaching out to people. And I learned that I should be more of a learner. I’m not going there to teach them arts but to learn their arts. So I learned to dance their dance, learn their music, and appreciate their arts. I realized that it connected us, and it was a pathway for me to build relationships with them and have meaningful conversation about life and other spiritual things that led us to talk about the master artist who is God. Some of them came to Christ, and it was a great way to reach out to people for the gospel. Arts is a pathway for the gospel to reach the unreached for Christ.

Roger

Definitely. You’re a missionary from the Philippines to Cambodia?

Attendee

But now I’m back home to mobilize Filipinos to go for missions, to be engaged in missions.

Roger

That’s so great. Please send some to Tokyo. Send them to my location.

Attendee

We have people in Japan.

Roger

Awesome.

Attendee

Actually, we don’t need to talk about Japan or mobilize for Japan. Even if we don’t talk about Japan, I think God is really doing something after praying for Japan. People will just come to us like, “I’m interested in Japan” even when we didn’t say anything about Japan.

Roger

Well, send them on!

Attendee

We have people. We actually have a long-term worker there, and there are people who are on the process of going to Japan.

Roger

Great. Well, thank you so much.

Attendee

Thank you.

Matt

I’m Matt Menger. I am the Global Ethnodoxology and Arts Coordinator for SIL.

Roger

What does that mean?

Matt

SIL is mostly a linguistics organization that does a lot of Bible translation and things like that. But we also have the Ethnomusicology and Arts Department. I wish we could just call ourselves the Ethnodoxology Department. But we work with all of the locally meaningful forms of artistic communication around the world, anywhere that there’s Bible translation going on, and coordinate with local musicians and artists and dancers and people telling stories and all that stuff to work with them to get scripture into more forms of communication.

Roger

Yeah, it’s very cool. Both of us were just in the seminar, talking about ethnodoxology and the things that are happening around the world. It’s really exciting. Is there anything you’d like to share about that?

Matt

Yeah, I’m just excited to see the amount of interest. I think in the session that you and I were both just in, we had over 50 people, and most of them I’d never seen before. That’s really exciting to me to see more people involved with churches and other things. It’s not just cross-cultural workers anymore. There’s more organizations that are aware of this. Several conversations I’ve had this week with music foundations and others in the Christian music world have never really thought about ethnodoxology before, and they’re starting to ask questions. That’s just really exciting to me to start to see that interest grow where it’s becoming a little more mainstream.

Roger

Yeah, I think so, too.

Matt

I feel like, and I may misquote him, but Jaewoon Kim has a term that he calls multicolor worship or things having the color of the multicultural, but they’re not truly multicultural. I feel like that’s a recurring theme here this week at Lausanne as we also try to worship together with people from over 5,000 people from over 200 countries and how many different worship traditions and different flavors of Christianity arehere. Jaewoo’s thought, I forget where I read that, and I hope I’m quoting him correctly, but the idea of so many people experiencing the color of the world. It’s a big question in the world today with urbanization and with cities.

Roger

The way I really see it in my context is it gives the artist permission to explore and be creative and think what is possible rather than thinking they have to adopt what they’ve been told or what traditionally has been done.

Matt

Yeah. Another thing I heard from artists this week that I met with was just the need for more acceptance from the church and the need to be better understood and supported by the church. Sometimes they need to do commercial things to make a living, and the church doesn’t understand why it’s not all free. But I think there’s a growing recognition. I don’t know if there’s a solution yet, but there’s more recognition that the church and artists need to have a better relationship.

Roger

I’m sitting here with Daniel Kim, who is a seminary professor and a pastor and an artistic director of theodrama. Thank you so for talking with us. I’m curious, since you live in Korea and Japan, and it’s only two hours away, there’s been a lot of talk at this conference, especially last night. We had a big presentation on the history of the church in Korea and the bad blood, literally, between Japan and Korea. What is your take on that? How can the Korean church reach Japan?

Daniel

Okay. I’m a Korean, so like any Korean, we have memories. Not that I was born in that era, but my parents have told us about this. We hear it everywhere in the churches and as a nation. It is not just Korea. Many nations have suffered under the colonialization of Japan and Japan’s imperial power and their military tyranny and so forth.

Roger

I’m so sorry, on behalf of Japan, my home.

Daniel

I don’t want to just go on and on, but I think it’s pretty much understood that we’ve been the victims of that.

Roger

It wasn’t that long ago.

Daniel

No, it wasn’t. There’re people alive now that remember it. We naturally have this trauma. Yet the Bible says that we must forgive our enemies. We must bless our enemies and pray for them. Japan is in dire need of the gospel. All the resources of the Korean churches have to be poured out into Japan. But why is that not happening? Certain churches, like Onnuri Church, on an annual basis have the Love Sonata, and they send armies of people.

Roger

Yeah, they’re the biggest church in Korea. Is that right?

Daniel

It’s one of the largest churches. It’s not the biggest.

Roger

70,000 people or something?

Daniel

I’m not sure it’s that big, but we’re talking tens of thousands. But they have tremendous resources. They have a publishing house, and they have so many networks. It’s one of the really, I would say, good modern churches here in Korea. Yet, many Korean churches are still hesitant about Japan.

Roger

Why?

Daniel

Well, because of the history. Yet, the Lord’s word is very, very clear that we must, especially when we look over to Japan, we know that the Christian population is less than 1%. We’re sending thousands of missionaries out all over the world, and we have missionaries sent to Japan, too.

Roger

That’s what they said last night, that Korea is the second largest mission-sending country in the world.

Daniel

But we’re not that enthusiastic about Japanese evangelism yet. How can that happen? I’ve been thinking about this because it can’t just be verbally. It can’t just be because we have missionaries as agents of Christ, there’s got to be certain means that will be a connection that will touch the hearts of the people, really connect. Now, let’s say just for the sake of argument, if we were to take a bunch of artists from Korea and we meet a bunch of artists from Japan and they start dialoguing. Before long, when you start singing together and dancing together and articulating together and join the common projects, all this hostility, it fades into the background. And Christ’s love, I think that’s why they call it Love Sonata, it’s like a love song. They’re singing love songs to one another.

Roger

You think arts is that connection point?

Daniel

Yes, I believe that creative arts is the natural cultural bridge to mission.

Roger

Thank you so much. God bless your ministry. It’s so exciting what you guys are doing.

Daniel

Thank you so much.

Roger

I can’t wait until I get to see a performance.

Daniel

Thank you.

Roger

God bless.

[Music of musicians walking down hallway]

Roger

That was rather spontaneous, wasn’t it?

Andy

That was a special moment right there.

Roger

You just never know what you’re going to run into when you’re here at Lausanne #4.

Andy

It’s great to be here.

Roger

Tell me, who are you and what are you doing? Where do you serve?

Andy

Hi, I’m Andy Game, and I’m serving in Japan and from Japan into Asia, really looking at new media that will be engaging for the young generation.

Roger

Now, we’ve known each other a long time, serving in Japan. We move in the same circles and want to see Japanese become Christians, specifically through the arts. Your realm is media. What have you been getting from this conference? You were telling me before that you’ve been able to be in some discussions, and maybe there’s some thinking that needed to be tweaked a little. Can you tell me a little bit about that?

Andy

Yeah, it’s just great to be here because we’ve got so many people who are working in media and tech, and also there’s a lot of conversation around AI, and what will that be for the future. We’ve had some great sessions in the afternoons where we’re really looking at collaboration. What does it look like to come together? It’s actually been a little bit low tech. We’ve had all these sheets of paper that we’ve been had lying on the table to help put all the ideas there.

But it’s been really great to just meet people from different parts of the world. I’m excited to see how we could really grow together in the coming years. I think what we would really love to see from this is a fresh expression of the gospel that would really be done in an Asian voice that would really communicate the gospel in a way that would really connect with hearts and minds of younger generation.

Roger

So not just translation, but collaborating together? Coming up with new ideas and creating together?

Andy

We get so many people who come to me saying, “Can you just translate that?” If I go back to my team and ask them to do that, I think they might scream at me. The good conversations that are shaping up here are really the ones where we’re talking about how could we co-create together. How can we bring the best experience, the creative ideas, some of the initiatives and campaigns that have been seen in other countries.

Take the very expressive and vibrant culture here. Everyone knows K-POP and BTS, right? But also coming from many Western nations. But we’d love to build out relationships into the coming years that we could really see co-creation that could really give a fresh expression to the gospel in a vibrant way and an exciting way.

Roger

Yeah, definitely. Well, thank you. It’s good to see you here. We’ll see you again in Japan.

Andy

We’ll see you again in Japan.

Roger

I’m sitting here with Mary Katherine, who I briefly met and got to hear from at the Ethnodoxology breakout session yesterday. Thank you for being willing to sit down for a longer conversation.

Mary Katherine

Absolutely, I’m happy to be here.

Roger

Tell me a little bit about what you do.

Mary Katherine

I’m a visual and performing artist. That’s my marketplace job. I spend a lot of time in the secular world with non-believers in the arts. But I also work as a global arts strategist with an organization called Global Strategy Forum. We’re a think tank and action tank working in 12 spheres of culture, of which arts and entertainment is one of those spheres. I’m one of their global arts strategists, looking at ways to incarnate God’s Kingdom in this sphere globally and to bring, hopefully, human flourishing and point people to Jesus.

Roger

Okay, that sounds really exciting. Can you help flesh it out for me? What does that look like?

Mary Katherine

Our members, we get together. Our think tank is our R&D. We’re doing research and development. We’re talking with Christian futurists. We’re speaking with people that have done research in these different spheres of culture, like arts and entertainment. We’re coming together and saying, “Okay, how can we give a Christian voice, given all this information that we have, how can we give a Christian voice into these different areas, these different issues or mega trends.” How do we give a Christian voice into that sphere? What are some strategies, some projects, some initiatives we could implement around the globe that could bring glory to God, ultimately. Once we’ve created strategies with our members, we also are looking at partnerships, who are the partners globally doing a good job? Who could we collaborate with or catalyze? Who could implement these different strategies globally?

Roger

That’s great. At the end of this session here, Lausanne was announcing about the collaborative action that we’re all going to be signing tomorrow and how important that is in filling the gaps that we’re seeing in the spread of God’s Kingdom around the globe. Are there parts of the world that you focus on, or is it just global at this point?

Mary Katherine

It really is global. Based on partners. Being at Lausanne, for me, has been creating partnerships, networks, getting introduced to people I didn’t even know existed in different parts of the world. I feel like for me, sometimes there’s gaps, there’s regions where there’s gaps, and I don’t know anyone. I feel like the more people that I know that are in the arts world or in the entertainment media sphere globally, then I have more of an opportunity to see, okay, where are the actual gaps? Who are the people who can fill those gaps?

Roger

Yeah, that’s so needed.

Mary Katherine

What I find everywhere I go, there’s people that don’t know about another organization. One organization of Christians doing in the arts don’t know who another organization is, or they don’t know who’s working in Asia if they’re in Africa. I feel like what God wants to do is bring us all together so that we can not only know what’s happening in other areas and be encouraged by it, but also look for opportunities to work with one another and partner.

Roger

I love it. I know your heart is to collaborate. How can people contact you?

Mary Katherine

You can contact me at admin because I’m also the administrator for Global Strategy Forum Admin, admin@globalstrategyforum.com. You can learn more about our work at globalstrategyforum.com.

Roger

So thank you so much. God bless.

Mary Katherine

Thank you so much. I appreciate it, Roger.

Roger

So I’m now sitting here with Dr. Nelson Jennings, who was a missionary back in the day in Japan. We’ve known each other for quite a while. I’m so glad that I got to connect with you here. What do you think of this conference so far?

Nelson

Well, it’s actually my first Lausanne Congress to attend. Because I teach missions, I include the Lausanne Movement. In understanding contemporary Christian missions and especially evangelical missions. It’s just interesting to be a part of this Congress for many reasons, because it’s the 50-year anniversary of Lausanne. It’s here in Korea, where I’ve had a lot of very close connections over the past several years, and how digital this Congress is. But just, of course, people from over 200 countries, 5,000 people assembled, 2,000 more taking part virtually. It’s just quite the event to be a part of and appreciate all the preparation, involved, which I know a lot of the Korean side of things for the preparation. It’s just interesting and heartwarming.

Roger

Yeah, there’s so many volunteers and staff here. I can’t imagine having to put all this together. But it’s interesting. You said you studied this a little bit. Why is Lausanne important?

Nelson

It’s a good question. I mean, Lausanne began in the early 1970s, largely as a reaction to trends that many people were alarmed about that were developing in the World Council of Churches. Billy Graham and John Stott and others wanted there to be more of an evangelistic church planting focus that was reclaimed, and thus Lausanne began. Lausanne has, over the past 50 years, incorporated increasing arenas of mission-related interest. There’s an ongoing, not controversy I don’t think, but discussions within those involved in the movement about keeping evangelism and church planting at the center while acknowledging that God’s mission is far-reaching. Thus, the different areas of concern about what mission means, how Christian churches and agencies are to be involved in Christian mission. There’s a wide scope of interest that has developed within the Lausanne Movement, definitely. That’s the one reason why it is important.

Roger

We’re sitting just under where the workplace ministry is happening, and that is a very large ballroom full of people. I do wonder if the past congresses have had so many people from the workplace.

Nelson

Well, I think that is a striking feature of this congress, to be sure. I think it’s relieved some people involved in Lausanne to hear that sending missionaries and having unreached people groups as a central focus is a part of Lausanne. Because some people, when they see the emphasis on workplace ministry and see the other emphases, whatever they might be in social justice or whatever, might sense that, Oh, the center of mission’s concern is dissipating a bit. I just think it’s incorporating more of what Christian mission involves while keeping a central focus on unreached peoples and the need for people, whoever we are, wherever we are, to hear and believe the good news of Jesus.

Roger

Yeah, that’s good.

Nelson

It’s more holistic, rather than techniques about how to evangelize by getting into certain ways. It’s more like, how does it affect all of life, including business? I think one feature I’ll mention, too. The Lausanne Movement can give the impression that the global church is here. There are representatives from many different churches and Christian organizations that are here. This does not represent the entire Church of Jesus Christ. I take a rather wide view of who we are as the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ and various traditions they’re in.

I think perhaps a bit more modest self-understanding of who the Lausanne Movement involves, both in terms of evangelical, charismatic, Pentecostal groups, as well as there are many, many churches and agencies around the world who fit those categories but have no idea what Lausanne is about.

Roger

That’s interesting.

Nelson

This is a representative group of a sizable portion of the worldwide Christian movement.

Roger

That’s interesting because I have heard it described as the umbrella under which all other umbrellas exist. It’s the overarching, but you’re saying it doesn’t quite . . .

Nelson

Not quite. Let’s not downplay the importance and the wide scope of the Lausanne Movement, but let’s not over-extend, really, who it represents.

Roger

All right. Well, thank you so much for your time.

Nelson

My pleasure. Great to be here.

[Music of people singing in a breakout session of artists]

Roger

You were just listening to a breakout session of artists at the Congress being led in worship in different languages. Next, I’d like to have a longer conversation with a friend of mine, Younhee Deborah Kim, who is a Korean missionary serving other parts of the world who I’ve become friends with over the years. She leads Arts in Mission Korea, and her specific vision is to train Korean missionaries how to incorporate the arts and missions to the rest of the world.

Younhee has this wonderful example of how when she was serving in Africa and working with a group of women with fabric. They didn’t see their fabric as anything special. It’s just what they were used to. She said, oh, but it’s so beautiful. It’s so colorful. And through the workshop, convinced them to try making various things like jewelry, bags, hairbands, and souvenirs. And through it, they rediscovered beauty within their own culture. And also through it, found new ways to praise God. Without further introduction, here’s my conversation with Deborah.

Now we’re sitting here outside the Songdo Convencia of the Lausanne Congress. I’m sitting here with Deborah Kim, and I wanted to have a longer conversation with you. So thank you for being willing to do this.

Younhee

Thank you for having me here.

Roger

I really want to thank you for the time that you spent with the interns. We had two of our summer interns, Garner and Rebecca, come join you for a week?

Younhee

I think they spent four or five days. Yeah.

Roger

And you took them to some tourist places, maybe?

Younhee

Yes. A little taste of Korea on the first day. You asked me to meet them, so of course, I can do that. And they were really sweet. They’re lovely girls. I greeted them and I showed some art exhibition, photography, because one of them is a photographer. So, I wanted to show them a photography exhibition. I invited them to nice café. And the café is a gallery café.

Roger

Rebecca took some beautiful photos while she was here. I don’t know if you got to see the results of that because then they took that back to Seto, near Nagoya, Japan, and had an art exhibit there.

Younhee

“Seasons of the Soul.” I know. That was just so impactful. People were very moved by that whole exhibit and relationships were built. I think this is a very good way to interact with different cultures because they didn’t spend that time as tourists. They are artists, and then they actively interact with the different cultures. Then they got the idea, and then they got inspired, and then they made something new.

Roger

Yeah, that’s such a good point because there’s this fear that if you’re going to send people over for mission trips or something like that, that they’re basically like Christian tourists. Are they really doing any good and all that. But I think just the beauty of how they were able to interact with you, see the beauty of Korean culture, but also use that for ministry in Japan. And relationships were built, and people were brought into the church in Japan through that. It was just… Yeah. Thank you so much for doing that, for sacrificing your time.

Younhee

No, it was really a pleasure. I liked their attitude. They wanted to learn. They wanted to be inspired by a new culture, and then they just didn’t want to waste it. They wanted to do something more than that. So I like that. I like that idea. We really enjoyed our time together, and then we became friends.

Roger

That’s so cool. So can you tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do?

Younhee

I’m Younghee Deborah Kim from South Korea. I’m working as a Director of Arts Mission Korea, which mobilizes and trains Korean Christian artists for God’s Kingdom and cross-cultural missions. Usually, I offer a seminar or trainings to encourage Korean Christians to use the artist’s talent and also learn why art is important and how to use art in a mission setting. On the other hand…

Roger

Yeah, you’ve done a lot of traveling, haven’t you?

Younhee

Yeah, because I’m also staff of Inspiro Arts Alliance, which is an art mission team in OM, Operation Mobilization.

Roger

They make a good magazine, too, don’t they?

Younhee

Yeah, it’s called Vivid. Very high quality. My role is Ethnodoxology Consultant and Trainer in Inspiro Arts Alliance. And we have a lot of short-term projects, and we offer different types of training for artists or non-artists. Now, I do cultural research and also work with local partners on how we can develop our workshops or training to be more culturally relevant. Basically, in the heart language of the people, how do you connect that more with what the Bible teaches, rather than importing it from somewhere else, especially Western culture? They have their own artistic expressions, their art forms. For me personally or as a team member, I equally encourage them to use their own artistic language or artistic expressions.

Roger

Yeah, that’s great. We just had dinner together, and you were sharing how you’ve been to Tanzania, right? Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Younhee

I worked with the local partners or local pastors, and I asked them, “Do you need any art project or art workshop?” And then, “Yeah, it would be great.” They invited me to come. I had several art workshops and seminars for women and for children.

Roger

What was the workshop you did with the women and the children?

Younhee

I helped them to see their cultural beauty. Also, mostly, I wanted to use local materials. I found out their African fabric has very vivid colors, and they’re so beautiful. I encouraged them to use that local fabric. I encourage them to try making something new rather than just making clothing. So they made some different sized bags and jewelry and some fashion items.

Roger

And how did they respond to that?

Younhee

Well, first they had no idea what they were doing. “I don’t know how to do it.” But you know what? The first 10 minutes, I just waited. And then they started making something new. And then they found that, “Oh, I can do this. I can be creative. I can make something new.” So that was a good experience. And also one lady said, “Well, first, I didn’t like your idea because it’s just plain clothes. It’s just plain fabric. There are lots of good things from outside the country.

Roger

“Outside is better.”

Younhee

Yeah, but then she realized, “Oh, our fabric is also beautiful. Now I can see it’s beautiful.” That was an eye-opening moment for her.

Roger

Yeah, it’s so interesting that it took someone from the outside. You had to come from Korea in order for her to be able to see the beauty of her own fabric that she’s been around her whole life.

Younhee

Yeah. I mean, that was also a learning moment for me as well because usually people think they know their culture. “Oh, I know my culture very well.” But when I ask a question in a specific way, and then they realize that, “I don’t know about my culture.” That always happens.

Roger

That’s beautiful. Just seeing the beauty of your own culture. It’s so important. I’d like to talk a little bit about the Congress. All these people are walking by us. You can hear everyone having conversations around us. So much great fellowship. So many great things going on. I want to specifically talk about the various art elements that we saw. A lot of people have been asking me what my opinion was of the virtual artist that was up there. Let’s see, I wrote his name down: Patrick Bezalel, the virtual reality artist. I’ve actually never seen anything like that. He was up there on stage with . . . what do you call those things?

Younhee

Those goggle-type things?

Roger

Yeah, that. Goggles, right? He’s moving his hands. I think he had special gloves on that could see where he was painting. It was up on the screen that was I don’t know, like 30 feet tall. It was a really huge screen. You see this guy dancing around on stage. It’s an amazing artwork, which ended up being Christ on this tree of the cross. There was light coming out from it. It was beautiful. It was on fire. It was like, vivid glowing fire. I’ve never seen anything like that.

Younhee

It was amazing, wasn’t it?

Roger

It was two songs, I think, that he did that. What else did you notice about this conference related to the arts?

Younhee

There’s also the drama team. They did a short drama and also spoken word. They mixed different types of art forms in drama.

Roger

It made the Bible readings just that much more interesting. What else has struck you about this conference? Has it been good for you? Are you glad you’re here?

Younhee

Okay, so for me personally, one of the struggles is that the praise time . . . all the songs are in English, right? Only in English. But this is an international conference. How many countries came here?

Roger

A lot. I don’t remember the number.

Younhee

More than 220 countries.

Roger

220? Wow.

Younhee

That means there are more than 200 cultures here. So I hoped that . . . I mean, the music is excellent, the band is great, and all the techniques and musical experience is good. But what if all the songs and languages and expressions were diverse?

Roger

It is interesting to think what it would have been like if they had had various instruments from around the world and various musical styles from around the world.

Younhee

Yeah, I mean, it’s not easy to get 200 languages at the same time. I know that. But at least maybe we can try. Okay, let’s make four or five bands representing different continents. So we can have an African continent worship band and Asian and Latin American and North American and European and then Océanean. And then we can feel at least five different continents represented. And then it can be more diverse.

Roger

It’d be easier to feel the international presence here.

Younhee

Of course. For me, the life verse is Revelation 7:9–12. Every nation, every tribe, every people, and every language standing together in front of the throne. We will sing and dance together to worship God. I can’t wait. What will it look like? We cannot imagine, but we can imagine in part because of that cultural diversity. This is one of the complaints. It can be better. They can do better.

Roger

Yeah, I understand. Well, thank you so much for taking this time with me.

Younhee

Thank you for having me. And I really appreciate what you are doing in Japan because I know it’s not easy to do that work, but you’re an artist, a great artist, and also you are doing arts ministry there. So I do appreciate it.

Roger

Thank you so much. God bless.

Thank you for listening to the Art Life Faith podcast. As we say in Japan “Ja, mata ne.” We’ll see you next time.