I never do quite know when I will stumble across someone who I think “I must have this person on my podcast”.  A Cisco Network Automation webinar was one such place, when I met Hank Preston, the NetDevOps Evangelist for Cisco Networks.  He had a HUGE amount of great knowledge to share with us on this episode.  Tackling Pillar 4, Explaining Automation, and talking about why people screw themselves up by not listening. 00:00 Intro for Hank Preston. 10:00 Network Programmability Basics Course (here) 15:00 What is CI/CD and Network Pipelining 17:30 Network Configuration Pipeline 24:00 MEETUP! 29:00 Deep Learning vs Wide Learning – Don’t look for unicorns. 31:00 Developer.cisco.com discussions. 36:00 Discussion on certs and their value. 41:00 SE Jobs and how listening and not snap judgment is the key. 50:00 Everyone’s favorite buzzword – IoT. You can find Hank online at @hfpreston and @ciscodevnet. He also gives killer webinars about using programmability to automate your network.