When Professor Nancy Rosenblum joined us months back, she and Russell Muirhead had written a book called “Ungoverning” The Attack on the Administrative State and the Politics of Chaos.”  Their case study was the first Trump Administration.  And while every modern state is an administrative state, the bureaucracy at all levels of government has been under attack for decades claiming that it is rife with waste, fraud and abuse.  If so, then why fire, as one of Trump 2’s first acts, the Inspectors General for a number of agencies?.  They are the internal auditors who have found billions of dollars in inefficiencies over the years.  Perhaps it is because the goal is not institutional reform, but deconstruction.  Then, you might say, why?  When you replace career civil servants with political cronies you get more control vested in the Office of the President and the Imperial Presidency on steroids.  Our guest, Professor Rosenblum, a Professor of Ethics in Politics and Government Emerita at Harvard University, breaks down what she sees as three actors playing out their long- held desires–President Trump, Elon Musk and the Project 2025 crowd.  Are they on a course to deconstruct the federal government or a crash course in hubris and overreach?  Find out today on the podcast.