Pastor Jeffery continues his previous conversation with Pastor Prorok about J.B. Jordan’s magisterial work Through New Eyes. They discuss the typological structure of history; overlapping structures in the Biblical narrative; death and resurrection; the fractal structure of history; the history of the Great Schism and the Reformation; Biblical eschatology and personal history; meditation and reframing; the fate of nations and place of the church; worship and political change; pastoral struggles with understanding cultural change; our personal (in)significance; the shape of Romans; and other topics.

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