In this episode of Road Gang Radio, host Jimmy Mac sits down with Rick Mihelic, Director of Emerging Technologies at the North American Council for Freight Efficiency (NACFE) and lead for battery-electric vehicle (BEV) fleet strategy in the Run on Less – Messy Middle program.

As NACFE gears up for its fifth Run on Less event, Rick joins the show to spotlight 4Gen, one of 13 fleets participating in this real-world demonstration. The “Messy Middle” refers to the current era of trucking, where fleets are experimenting with a variety of powertrain solutions including diesel, natural gas, battery-electric, and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.