Industrial Strength Podcast

Industrial Strength Podcast


Industrial Strength Podcast – Episode 7: Missteps and Major Hazards

February 24, 2025

Episode Overview:

In this high-stakes episode of the Industrial Strength Podcast, the hosts recount two harrowing incidents where minor oversights led to significant hazmat responses. The first incident explores the thermal breakdown of refrigerant R507, potentially producing toxic byproducts like hydrofluoric acid (HF) and phosgene gas. The second case involves a plugged filter containing waste material possibly contaminated with cyanide. Both situations highlight the critical importance of meticulous processes and the expertise required to handle such challenges.




Segment Breakdown & Timestamps:

  • [0:00 - 1:17] Introduction
  • Randy, Steve, and Jeff welcome listeners and introduce the focus of the episode: calls stemming from seemingly minor missteps with major consequences.
  • [1:18 - 8:48] Incident 1: Thermal Breakdown of R507 Refrigerant
  • Overview of the incident involving residual refrigerant heated for 24-48 hours due to a forgotten step during compressor maintenance.
  • Potential byproducts: HF and phosgene, both highly toxic.
  • Detailed response strategy:
  • Purging the system with nitrogen.
  • Atmospheric monitoring using a Gasmet FTIR device.
  • Entry team outfitted in Level C suits with SCBA and Silver Shield gloves.
  • No hazardous gases were detected during monitoring, and liquid collected was determined to be harmless compressor oil.
  • [8:49 - 19:10] Incident 2: Plugged Filtration Line with Possible Cyanide Contamination
  • Overview of a filtration system issue where unheated caustic solution and a cold water wash exacerbated a waste cake blockage.
  • Potential presence of cyanide prompted the involvement of the hazmat team.
  • Response strategy:
  • Level A suits and SCBA for entry teams due to possible hands-on exposure.
  • Two-stage wet decontamination process using aqueous bicarbonate solution followed by water wash.
  • Monitoring for hydrogen cyanide with meters set to detect minute concentrations.
  • Outcome: No cyanide was detected; DECON water was safe for standard disposal.
  • [19:11 - 31:02] Chemical Spotlight: Hazards of HF, Phosgene, and Cyanide
  • In-depth discussion on the chemical properties, risks, and industrial uses of these compounds.
  • Emphasis on their potential for catastrophic harm, even in small quantities.
  • [31:03 - End] Reflections and Next Episode Teaser
  • Lessons learned about the dangers of minor oversights in industrial settings.
  • Preview of Episode 8, focusing on dividing manpower to tackle multiple simultaneous incidents.



Key Moments:

  • Preventable Mistakes: Oversights, like leaving a heater on or improperly treating a waste filter, can escalate into major emergencies.
  • Advanced Tools and Training: The use of specialized equipment like the Gasmet FTIR and tailored PPE highlights the importance of preparation.
  • Critical Safety Measures: Staffing rapid intervention teams (RIT) and utilizing site-specific infrastructure, like safety showers, improve response efficiency.



Resources and References:

  • PubChem and Cameo: Essential online resources for chemical hazard information.
  • Gasmet FTIR Analyzer: A device for monitoring multiple hazardous gases simultaneously.
  • Cyanide Antidote Kits: Modern, safer antidotes based on modified B12 vitamins.



Guest Bios:

  • Randy: Hazmat specialist with 17 years in industrial emergency response, known for his expertise in chemical processes.
  • Steve: Hazmat technician with a decade of experience in industrial safety and emergency operations.
  • Jeff: Veteran firefighter with extensive knowledge of industrial and municipal fire service challenges.



Concluding Notes:

This episode underscores the importance of thorough processes and proactive safety measures in preventing and responding to industrial incidents. Share your thoughts or similar experiences with the hosts at hazmatharder@gmail.com.




Next Episode Teaser:

In Episode 8, the team discusses the challenges of managing multiple calls simultaneously, offering insights into resource allocation and team dynamics. Don’t miss this unique discussion on dividing and conquering in the industrial fire service. See you then!