• 00:00:00 – From Pastor’s Kid to Wilderness Wanderer
• 00:02:00 – Growing Up Under the Microscope: A Pastor’s Kid Journey
• 00:04:00 – The Canteen: Where Pastors Find Peace Through Surrender
• 00:06:00 – The Moment of Complete Surrender
• 00:09:00 – Experiencing True Spiritual Hunger: How Pastors Find Peace in God’s Timing
• 00:13:00 – Lessons from Deuteronomy 8: Finding Peace Through God’s Provision
• 00:17:00 – Breaking Free from Self-Sufficiency: How Pastors Find Peace in God’s Partnership
• 00:19:00 – God’s Invitation to Partnership: From Creation to Today
• 00:22:00 – Practical Ways Churches Can Find Peace in God’s Provision
• 00:23:00 – Creating Sacred Space: When Pastors Find Peace Through Divine Encounters
• 00:26:00 – Connect with Kyle Gabhart

View the Episode Transcript here.

Episode Description

What happens when a 19-year-old pastor’s kid from suburban Texas gets dropped into the wilderness of Southern Africa? For Kyle Gabhart, it became a life-changing lesson in surrendering control and discovering God’s provision. In this powerful conversation, Kyle shares the story behind his book “The Canteen” and reveals how a desperate moment on an African mountain taught him the difference between self-sufficiency and true dependence on God.

Kyle draws fascinating parallels between his wilderness experience and the Israelites’ journey in Deuteronomy 8, showing how God uses seasons of uncertainty to prepare us for His promises. From experiencing true spiritual hunger in Zimbabwean villages to understanding the balance between faithful stewardship and passive waiting, this episode challenges pastors to examine what they’re gripping onto instead of trusting God completely.

Discover practical ways churches can create space for the Holy Spirit while maintaining good stewardship, and learn how to move from Western self-sufficiency to biblical dependence without becoming passive in your calling.

What You’ll Learn

• The life-changing lesson Kyle learned when he ran out of water on an African mountain
• How African believers demonstrated true “hunger and thirst for righteousness”
• Key lessons from Deuteronomy 8 about God’s provision and the dangers of prosperity
• The difference between self-sufficiency and healthy stewardship
• How Jesus’ feeding of the 5,000 illustrates God’s partnership with our efforts
• Practical ways churches can hold plans loosely while maintaining good stewardship
• How to create sacred spaces for God to work in structured church environments
• Why God chooses to multiply our “loaves and fishes” rather than work independently

Key Quotes

“My challenge, my encouragement to folks is to figure out what their metaphorical canteen is that they’re gripping onto and to empty it so that they can receive what the Lord has to give them.” – Kyle Gabhart

“So that is hungering and thirsting after righteousness. And I thought I knew what it looked like, and then I experienced people that genuinely craved spiritual connection.” – Kyle Gabhart

“God is ready, willing, and able to multiply our efforts, but he asks for us to step into and meet him our way in that, and we bring him our proverbial loaves and fishes so that there is something to multiply.” – Kyle Gabhart

“It’s so easy for us to fall into the trap of thinking that it’s us, rather than remembering that he’s the source of all of it.” – Kyle Gabhart

About Our Guest

Kyle Gabhart is a seasoned speaker, strategist, and author known for helping people live with greater purpose across faith, family, and finances. Whether guiding business leaders through legacy planning or inspiring audiences from the stage, Kyle’s message is rooted in timeless truth and practical wisdom. He’s the author of “The Canteen,” a raw and moving account of his life-changing mission trip to Africa at the age of 19 that challenges readers to let go of comfort and control and discover the quiet abundance that comes when we fully depend on God.

Resources Mentioned

• “The Canteen” by Kyle Gabhart
• Kyle Gabhart’s website: kylegabhart.com
• Deuteronomy 8 (Israelites’ wilderness journey)
• The feeding of the 5,000 (loaves and fishes miracle)

Next Steps for Pastors Examine your “canteen” – What are you gripping onto for security instead of trusting God completely? Create sacred space – Consider implementing worship nights, extended prayer times, or other opportunities for your congregation to hunger and thirst for righteousness Hold plans loosely – Review your church planning process to ensure you’re leaving room for the Holy Spirit to direct Practice active dependence – Bring your “loaves and fishes” to God and watch Him multiply your faithful efforts Connect

• Email: joy@pastorsandmoney.com
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• Website: pastorsandmoney.com
• Show notes: pastorsandmoney.com/podcast

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