We're catching up with our friend Pat from StasheD Training, who shares some fresh takes on batteries - this time, looking at the engineering side rather than just the chemistry.

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Episode Overview

In this charged episode, the team welcomes Pat Durham, the founder of Stache Training, to discuss the ever-evolving challenges surrounding lithium-ion batteries in the fire service. Pat brings a unique blend of mechanical engineering and firefighting experience to the conversation, offering a deep dive into the science, misconceptions, and tactical realities of battery-related incidents—from electric vehicles to energy storage systems (ESS). This is one of the most grounded, informative, and practical conversations about battery hazards you're likely to hear.

Segment Breakdown & Timestamps

00:19 – Welcome and Guest Intro

The hosts introduce Pat Durham and his dual background as a mechanical engineer and firefighter.

04:55 – Research & Testing Involvement

Pat's role with the Fire Safety Research Institute and involvement in electric vehicle fire testing projects.

06:09 – Comparing EV and Traditional Vehicle Fires

How plastics, battery chemistry, and combustion differ—and what that means for responders.

08:50 – Public Perception vs. Reality

Debunking boogeyman myths and clarifying what’s truly hazardous in lithium-ion fires.

10:07 – Large-Scale Battery Storage Risks

Discussion on facilities like Moss Landing and Otay Mesa, and why proper siting and design matter.

11:44 – Evolving Risks at the Consumer Level

Why putting battery systems into home appliances like stoves might be a ticking time bomb.

15:55 – Firefighting Tactics & Tools

Why the “let it burn” approach may be more practical than most realize—plus thoughts on fire blankets and changing perspectives on their risks and benefits.

18:13 – Blanket Failures & Deflagrations

Real-world incidents of thermal runaway and the evolution of training protocols around emerging hazards.

22:43 – The Engineering Behind Battery Safety

A look into modern battery design, including Tesla’s advances in foam and failure venting systems.

25:19 – Shifting Public and Command Culture

Why the biggest hurdle in “let it burn” isn’t science—it’s perception, both public and internal to the fire service.

28:43 – Context is Key

Why social media misleads the public, and how fire departments should contextualize battery fires.

30:24 – Closing & Contact Info

Pat shares how to get involved with Stache Training and future collaboration opportunities.

Resources & References

• Pat Durham – Stache Training
• ???? Website: www.stachetraining.com
• ???? YouTube: Stache Training
• ???? Email: pat@stachetraining.com

Guest Information

Pat Durham

• Mechanical Engineer, Fire Captain, and Lithium-Ion Battery Safety Specialist.
• Founder of Stache Training, focused on practical, science-based training for responders and industry professionals.