The HazMat Guys: Archives

THMG493 – AFV Operations
Looks like you all enjoyed the chat about alternative fuel vehicles from a week or two back, and we got a bunch of emails asking how they work. So, here's the scoop!
Thank you to our sponsor for this episode:
ObexionFR
ObexionFR is a mobile solution for first responders dealing with lithium battery fires, created by former FDNY Hazmat experts. It uses advanced science to neutralize fires by addressing heat, oxygen, and fuel, quickly containing and extinguishing them while keeping toxic gas levels safe. The process cools the battery, isolates oxygen, and prevents further ignition, providing a reliable tool for challenging battery fire incidents. Check it out.
908 Devices
908 Devices is a trusted name in the hazmat industry, renowned for its advanced handheld identification tools. Our MX908 mass spectrometer enables first responders to rapidly identify trace levels of high priority chemical and explosive threats, while our cutting-edge FTIR products (XplorIR, ProtectIR and ThreatID) provide precise identification of thousands of unknown substances, including hazardous chemicals and narcotics. These portable solutions are essential for detecting chemical spills, illicit drugs, and chemical warfare agents, delivering critical insights in emergencies. Learn more about 908 Devices (please use this link = https://info.908devices.com/l/679413/2024-09-17/34xmnr) and our full range of detection technologies.
HazMatters: If you’ve been living under a rock, here’s your wake-up call: we're crisscrossing the continent every week, delivering top-tier training (just ask J.M. POWERS). Don’t let your agency fall behind—get in on the action. Got a specific course in mind? Submit a training request, and our team will reach out. Not sure yet? Schedule a chat with our kick-ass sales team to get exactly what your crew needs. Skip the theory-only providers (IFYKYK). Get trained by people who’ve been in the field for more than 5 minutes—let’s take your team to the next level.
Download our course catalog here.
Click here for 1-pagers on each course.
Vendors: Want to advertise on this podcast or any of the other shows under our umbrella? Request more information to make some moves on this market and see how we can help put your company in front of the right eyeballs. We’ve got options that’ll fit your needs, big or small—just check out our ad comparison chart in the sponsor section for more details. Let’s get your message out there.
PREMIUM MEMBERSHIP: You know you deserve more. Picture this... the hazmat equivalent of the champagne room. Full access to 10 years of weekly shows, exclusive resources, early releases, and even a monthly happy hour with the crew. It’s the ultimate backstage pass to everything we’ve got. Ready to join the club? Sign up as a premium member now and make it official.
Sick of Lame Online Training?
Yeah, we were too. So we fixed it. You’re welcome. Now you can take a course you won’t just survive—you’ll actually want to brag about it. Check out our online courses.
Hey NERDs!
Our latest book, NHERD2 (National Hazmat Emergency Response Drills), just dropped. Grab your copy here. Missed the first one? Order your copy of Volume 1 now. and complete the set. Buy both, and you’ll be ready to take on anything—plus, you might just earn a good old-fashioned punch in the mouth.
New Shows Under the Haz Mat Guys Media Umbrella:
- Hazard Class Show
- Industrial Strength Show | Haz Mat Harder
- U.S. & Eh?
Conference, You Say?
You know us at The HazMat Guys—never satisfied with the status quo. We’re all about bringing the freshest products, tech, and training to YOU, our hazmat community. Our latest obsession? Conferences. Sure, many are average, a few are good, but we’re aiming to make one that’s great. Mark your calendars: February 3-5, 2026.
Introducing... The Southern Most Hazmat Conference!
Get ready for something a little different, a lot more exciting, and definitely worth the trip. Learn more and get on the mailing list for updates as they happen.
Grab Some SWAG
Support THMG, Hazard Class, HMAF, and more with some killer swag. Shop now.
Follow us on the socials:
Thanks for listening and watching!
Don’t just get on the job, get into it.™
Episode Overview:
In this episode, the hosts dive deep into the operational considerations for first responders when dealing with alternative fuel vehicles (AFVs) like CNG (Compressed Natural Gas), LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas), and ethanol-powered vehicles. The conversation provides essential guidelines for handling fires, leaks, and extrications specific to each fuel type, offering valuable insights for fire departments, emergency responders, and industry professionals.
Segment Breakdown & Timestamps:
Introduction to Alternative Fuel Vehicles (AFVs) – [4:31 - 5:21]- The episode begins by addressing the growing interest in alternative fuel vehicles and the unique challenges they present for emergency responders.
- Special mention of Timothy Ferretti for his contributions in the field, especially regarding tank construction and valves for CNG, LNG, and hydrogen vehicles.
- Fire Response: Importance of maintaining a 80-100 foot perimeter around a CNG vehicle fire to allow pressure relief devices (PRDs) to function properly without interfering with the fire.
- Leak Management: Discusses how to approach a CNG leak, including removing ignition sources, closing solenoid valves, and ensuring safe ventilation.
- Extrication: Special considerations when extricating from CNG vehicles, including avoiding cutting fuel lines and staying aware of cylinder locations.
- Fire Response: Unlike CNG, water can be used to fight an LNG fire under certain conditions. The hosts also highlight the challenges of detecting LNG fires due to their nearly invisible flames.
- Leak Management: LNG's cryogenic properties are discussed, stressing the importance of PPE and frostbite risks. Detection and handling procedures for small LNG leaks are explored.
- Extrication: The risks associated with cryogenic burns and the use of thermal imaging to identify LNG hazards are discussed.
- Fire Response: Water is ineffective for ethanol fires and can make the situation worse by spreading the fire. Alcohol-resistant foam is the recommended suppression method.
- Leak Management: Ethanol’s colorless and odorless nature makes leak detection challenging, necessitating the use of meters and non-sparking tools to ensure safety.
- Extrication: Similar to gasoline, but with specific precautions due to ethanol’s flammability and the risks of runoff during a spill.
Key Moments & Insights:
- The episode emphasizes the importance of safety zones and maintaining a distance of 80-100 feet from AFVs to prevent injury during fires and leaks.
- Thermal Imaging Cameras (TIC) are repeatedly mentioned as essential tools for detecting fire and gas leaks, especially with LNG and ethanol vehicles.
- The hosts highlight the importance of industry standards and best practices for AFV response, stressing that while these are guidelines, responders must always assess the situation dynamically.