If you’ve ever wondered why some leadership teams look polished on the outside but are quietly unraveling behind the scenes—this episode is your wake-up call.

Today, I’m sitting down with Joyce Odidison, resilience expert, author of seven books, and host of The Resilience Catalyst Show. Joyce is the yin to my yang. I work on the external signals leaders send to the market—visibility, reputation, influence. Joyce works on the internal dynamics that make those signals credible—or completely collapse.

And let me be clear: when reputation breaks down publicly, it almost always starts internally.

We get into the uncomfortable truth most companies avoid:
You can’t media-train your way out of burnout, broken trust, and poor decision-making. You can’t build external influence on a cracked internal foundation. And skipping the identity, values, and interpersonal work is why so many leadership development programs miss the mark.

We’re spilling the tea on why resilience, psychological safety, and interpersonal dynamics are no longer “nice-to-haves”—they are performance drivers in the Influence Economy.

If you’re a senior leader, HR executive, or founder trying to future-proof your organization, this conversation will challenge how you think about leadership development, reputation, and ROI.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

• Why public reputation failures almost always trace back to internal breakdowns

• How stress-driven leadership decisions quietly erode trust and performance

• The training and development gaps most organizations refuse to address

• Why skipping foundational identity and values work sabotages external influence

• How resilience and interpersonal dynamics directly impact leadership credibility

• What executives get wrong about “spiritual” and “emotional” development at work

• One practical question leaders can ask this week to improve their influence

Resources & Links Mentioned:

• Learn more about Joyce and her Team resilience assessment and 30-day sprint: https://interpersonalwellness.com

• Follow Joyce on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joyceodidison/

Your Next Steps:

• Access the white paper: External Influence: The Currency Every Leader Must Carry. https://externalinfluence.us

• Follow Shayna on LinkedIn: http:/linkedin.com/in/shaynarattler

• Visit our website: https://executivesignalsgroup.com