Accidentally predicting the future in her sci fi novels, Kage Baker's novels set alight to the dork celebrator extraordinaire, comedian Jackie Kashian. In this episode we discuss the limits of fiction, and of shame. This podcast was 4 years in the making, all because iszi is an idiot.

Jackie Kashian @jackiekashian is host of the Dork Forest Podcast, jackiekashian.com

Iszi Lawrence is a presenter of BBC's Making History and The British Museum Membercast. @iszi_lawrence.