Welcome to the 50th episode of What to Say When Things Get Tough!! Very exciting.

Kellan Fluckiger, who we welcomed as a guest last time, was kind enough to ask me to appear as a guest on his podcast, Your Ultimate Life. And he was also kind enough to give me permission to feature our conversation here.

While we don't necessarily talk about communicating in difficult situations, I think listeners will find some pearls of wisdom in the story that I share about my own struggle to find my ultimate life.

I hope you enjoy our conversation.

As always, thank you to Jim Cirillo for our original music and to Rachel Greenberger for our original art.

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