Dave Pacheco speaks with SUWA's Kya Marienfeld and Wild Utah Project's Allison Jones about the Utah BLM's ecologically destructive practice of "chaining" -- or, in the BLM's vernacular, "vegetation treatment." This practice of mechanically removing trees, shrubs and virtually all vegetation from otherwise healthy pinion-juniper forests -- often to benefit domestic livestock -- is being challenged by conservationists as an extreme overreaction to a non-existent problem.