In this episode, Kathy Escobar and Karl Wheeler discuss their experiences in church planting, and discuss the 8 mistakes they made in their 10 years of pastoral ministry. If you are involved in church leadership, this humorous and insightful discussion will be helpful to you.

In a day when everyone wants to grow their church, Kathy Escobar and Karl Wheeler discuss 8 ways they shrunk their church. Funny, humorous, and insightful.

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