i must say, this was one of the most interesting podcasts that i have ever done, because in the middleman our conversation, Martin stepped back to analyse what he was thinking and feeling from a curiosity perspective and then i did the same thing from a place of holding space and listening.

the two practices are very similar but i think you will see in this conversation, the living breathing practice of what each of us do.

this is one podcast you are going to want to listen to. enjoy it.