with covid-19 case numbers suddenly surging to coincide with the reopening of the nation and hesitant returns to normalcy, it’s clear that america hasn’t flattened the curve. as a second wave of infections looms in the very near horizon, rp and tom discuss the spike in cases, how we can prevent further spikes, and where to go now.

tom scott is chairman & co-founder of the nantucket project. rp eddy was the architect of the Clinton administration’s pandemic response framework and the United Nations response to the global AIDS epidemic & is CEO of global intelligence firm Ergo.

rp is co-author of the best-selling award-winning book Warnings: Finding Cassandras to Stop Catastrophes with Richard A. Clarke, Former National Security Council counterterrorism adviser.