In episode 5, we talk about saying polite no's to friends and family who want freebies, or expect you to be available at the drop of a hat because you 'work from home'.

Jill also talks a little about her experience with the gallery and selling her first piece, in addition to her 'wool felting' story of horror!

We hear about two great people to follow @clairemilliganartist and @helen_carter_artist and learn about the charity Xmas podcast single that we'll be dropping into iTunes next week (we're not).

Of course there is cake - always cake! And Jill treats you to some smooth tunes on the recorder, which we can't decide if it's a highlight or a low point - you decide!

And Nikki just talks.....and talks...aaaaaand talks...zzzzzz etc.