Intersections with Phil Allen, Jr.

Intersections with Phil Allen, Jr.


It's Not Just Black and White

November 16, 2020

Intersections with Phil Allen, Jr.


Episode:  007; “It’s Not Just Black and White: An Asian American Perspective on Race”


Airdate:   November 16, 2020


Length:    1:16:55


Guest(s):  Dr. Daniel D. Lee


Dr. Daniel Lee, an Assistant Professor of Theology and Asian-American Ministry, joins us at the intersection of race, culture, and theology. He also serves as the Dean for the Center for Asian American Theology and Ministry. Dr. Lee passionately unpacks for us what the impact of race, racism, and whiteness has on not just African Americans and other communities of color, but also on Asian Americans. Essentially, in this episode he interrupts the Black/White binary when it comes to the dialogue around race and racism. He takes us on a short historical journey connecting the emergence of Asian American racial consciousness to the Black Power movement.



Truth be told, Asian American voices, like other voices of color and white allies, are necessary for building a coalition in the fight against systemic racism. Dr. Lee urges us that erasing Asian voices certainly does not help the cause of resisting anti-Black racism. In “It’s Not Just Black and White” Dr. Lee brings the perspective to the table of a community that has typically been silenced or has kept silent for various reasons in the conversation around race. May this episode be a catalyst for necessary change.



Join us for “It’s Not Just Black and White: An Asian American Perspective on Race” on Intersections with Phil Allen, Jr.


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Phil Allen, Jr. is a Los Angeles-based pastor, social justice activist, filmmaker and author. His book Open Wounds explores the murder of Nate Allen—Phil Allen’s grandfather—in the Jim Crow era of South Carolina and how that traumatic event resonated through generations of his family. Open Wounds – which is based on the Allen-produced documentary of the same name – will be published in February 2021. Allen is a Ph.D. student studying Christian ethics at Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, CA.