This month we talk to sociologists Joel Thiessen and Sarah Wilkins-Laflamme about their new book None of the Above: Nonreligious Identity in the US and Canada. And in One Last Thing, Dan has been contemplating the apocalypse while Tim just wants to annoy the villagers.

Some of the things we talked about in this episode:

Dr. Wilkins-Laflamme mentioned the work of Phil Zuckerman, The Disappearing God Gap?, and this open access article written by our guests.

Dan's OLT was Justice League Dark: Apokolips War.

Tim's OLT was Untitled Goose Game.

0:00-1:12: Introduction

1:16-60:15: Thiessen and Wilkins-Laflamme interview

60:19-65:13: Dan's OLT

65:14-67:15: Tim's OLT

67:15-68:22: Credits

68:25-68:50: Outtake