We talked with writer, researcher, and coach, Jennifer Garvey Berger, about her passion for spreading ideas about complexity, leadership, adult development, and change. Berger’s work and research are driven by her desire to get ideas about complexity out into the world. She expressed that there is joy and beauty in complexity describing it as “a fundamental energy in the world”. Berger also shared insights from her new book Unlocking Leadership Mindtraps: How to Thrive in Complexity.