Say hi to the heathenest pastors you'll find: ours. Kate Christensen-Martin and Colby Martin are co-founders of Sojourn Grace Collective, a podcast called The Kate and Colby Show, and four fantastic boys, among other things. They are also some of our dearest friends—dearer still after this powerful, poignant, playful conversation about their chasm-wide differences, starting a church when their marriage was on the rocks, and the incredible good that has come from the friction that they have learned to value over the years.

This is part of the Heathen/Kate and Colby Show crossover EVENT, so be sure you check out Karyn & Matthew's interview on The Kate & Colby Show this week, too!