Dr. Sandra Morgan is joined by Alana Stott and her daughter Mollie Stott. The three discuss the importance of cyber-safety and conversations between parents and their children that will ensure cyber-safety.

Alana Stott

A true multi-hyphenate Alana founded and developed Wolfraven Omnimedia as a vehicle to help tell amazing and inspirational stories, including her own, while fiercely advocating for causes aimed at making the world a better place. Stott has written the game-changing business and philanthropy book, “How to Ask for Money;” her powerful memoir, “She Who Dares;” and a series of empowering children’s books – all to be published in 2023. In 2018, Alana Stott raised $1.3 million dollars for a mental health awareness campaign at the request of Prince Harry and Stott’s husband Dean Stott, a double world record-breaking cross-country cyclist, TV presenter and former UK Special Forces Operator. This was not her first stint in fundraising. Much like her working life, her business and philanthropic career paths started early. Alana Stott qualified as a Ship Security Officer and one of the first women to receive the Company Security Officer designation, qualifying her to run security on any vessel at sea. She is also a fully-qualified Close Protection Officer. Stott is an honorary member of The Special Boat Services Association, the UK equivalent of The Navy’s Seal Team 6. She has organized multiple grand red carpet events to raise funds for injured special forces soldiers and their families. Alana was award the title of Member of The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (MBE) on the King’s Honor List 2023 for her work supporting vulnerable women and mental health awareness.

Key Points

• Alana Stott wrote three children’s books for the purpose of opening up different conversations to educate youth. Her book “Live Your Own Way” teaches children that it is okay to have your own adventures, and that you don’t always have to do what those around you are doing. “Who to Help Today” emphasizes the little opportunities we all have to help those around us. “Me and My Friends Play” displays the beauty in childhood friendships and how barriers that often keep us from connecting, are not an issue with youth.
  
• Mollie practices cyber-safety by keeping her location services off, keeping her accounts private, and denying any follow requests from those she doesn’t know. She also blocks accounts that she is concerned about, or brings her concerns to her mom, Alana.
  
• It’s important for youth to be educated about cyber-safety because they can easily spot unsafe situations that their friends might be going through. By giving youth the tools to be safe online, they can help their peers to do the same.
  
• Having conversations with our youth about how to be safe online allows them to feel good about talking to parents about their concerns and feelings.
  

Resources

• Kings Honours List
  
• Wolfraven Omnimedia
  
• Alana Stott Website
  
• She Who Dares by Alana Stott
  
• Molly’s Adventures by Alana Stott
  
• The Girl Who Escaped: The Kara Robinson Story
  
• How to Ask For Money by Alana Stott
  

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Transcript

Sandra Morgan 0:00

You are listening to the Ending Human Trafficking podcast, episode #301: “Talking With Our Children: A Key to Cyber Safety” with Alana and Mollie Stott.

Welcome to the Ending Human Trafficking podcast here at Vanguard University’s Global Center for Women and Justice in Orange County, California. This is the show where we empower you to study the issues, be a voice, and make a difference and ending human trafficking. Our guests today are Alana and Mollie Stott. Alana was awarded the title of Member of the Most Excellent Order abbreviated MBE of the British Empire, on the King’s Honours List 2023. She was awarded this award for her work supporting vulnerable women and mental health awareness, a true multi hyphenate. Alana founded and developed Wolfraven Omnimedia as a vehicle to help tell amazing and inspirational stories, including her own, while fiercely advocating for causes aimed at making the world a better place. Alana has written a game changing business and philanthropy book, “How to Ask for Money,” I’m in the middle of reading it by the way, so watch out, and her powerful memoir, “She Who Dares.” She’s also written a series of empowering children’s books, and we’re gonna get to that in just a minute. Welcome to the podcast, Alana.

Alana Stott 2:06

Thank you, Sandie. Thank you for having us.

Sandra Morgan 2:08

So before we talk about your writing and philanthropy Alana, tell us about your family.

Alana Stott 2:16

So I’m from Aberdeen, in Scotland, and I’m married to Dean Stott, who is a former Special Forces soldier from the UK and double world record holder. I have three children, Mollie who’s 12, Tommy 7, and Harley is 10 months.

Sandra Morgan 2:32

Okay, so now we have to know. What are the world records that Dean holds?

Alana Stott 2:38

So he cycled. Dean was injured in a parachuting accident in 2011 and it limited his ability to walk and run and various things. So he started cycling just as a means of movement and then in typical Dean style, he had to go a bit further. He cycled from Argentina to Alaska, 14,000 miles, in 99 days and broke two world records doing it.

Sandra Morgan 3:03

Oh my goodness, from Argentina to Alaska!

Alana Stott 3:08

So that’s the longest road in the world and it runs all the way from Ushuaia, in Argentina, up right to Prudhoe Bay in Alaska.

Sandra Morgan 3:16

Wow. Okay, so we’ll have to talk to Dean on another day. So there’s so much to talk about. I really loved reading “She Who Dares” and I want to congratulate you. So before we talk about it, will you tell people how to purchase this book?

Alana Stott 3:36

Yeah, it’s available Amazon, Barnes and Noble, it’s on my website as well, alanastott.com, and really anywhere you get books, I guess.

Sandra Morgan 3:44

Okay. All right. Is it like on Kindle?

Alana Stott 3:48

Yes it’s on Kindle. I haven’t done an audio. I’d like to do an audio. But at the moment, it’s Kindle paperback.

Sandra Morgan 3:53

Okay, that’s great. That’s great. So before we get to our focus today, can you tell me why you wrote “She Who Dares?”

Alana Stott 4:06

So I’ve always loved writing, it’s been a passion most of my life. But my mom passed away when I was 15 and I kind of stopped writing at that point, I don’t know why. But I’ve always penned journals and little notebooks and various things like that. So I started writing that just almost as a journal. And then when Dean released his book after his venture was done, a lot of people read the book and went ‘when’s Alana’s book coming out?’ because I’m obviously heavily in that one. Then I thought, well, you know, I’ve wrote a lot of it, but then I was still nervous because there’s a lot of really personal stuff in there and I didn’t want to share it with the world. I explained a couple of the things that were in there to some friends and they opened up to me about things that they might have gone through, and I realized that I kind of had to share it because it could help people, so that’s why it’s here.

Sandra Morgan 4:57

So I haven’t known you very long but when I first met you and I met Dean, I’m like, oh my goodness, she knows the king, she’s been Mrs. Scotland. So I kind of expected “She Who Dares” to be like a fairy tale. I was shocked. Can you tell me, like the biggest takeaway you want people to understand when they finish reading your story?

Alana Stott 5:29

Yeah, I think it is that it doesn’t matter where you come from, or how you start, anything is possible and that many bad things can happen along the way, but there’s always light at the end of the tunnel and you’ve got to keep persevering and keep pushing through. I believe that some people might be in those struggles at the minute, thinking there’s no way out and you know, there is. Just find your own strength as well as other people around you. But your own strength is everything.

Sandra Morgan 6:01

One of the things that I paid attention to when I was reading this was the fact that your initiative came from within your own heart and soul. Sometimes, especially in my work with human trafficking survivors, with victims of sexual violence, human trafficking, labor trafficking, we in the community feel like we have an answer and if we can do this for someone who has suffered, that somehow that will be what lifts them out. But there was something inside of you, that did not depend on external encouragers and people wanting to improve your self esteem and tell you that you’re beautiful.

Alana Stott 7:05

I think we’ve all got the magic within us, we’ve all got to find the love for that little child and keep it growing throughout. And I think that often if something’s done to that child, or if there’s kind of abuse along the way, we almost learn to hate ourselves a little bit and then we’re not encouraging ourselves to do our own growing. I think it almost has to bring you back there and give that child a hug and say, “no, no, no, you’re good enough, and you’re amazing, and you can do it.” There are other people that will help you, but I think those should be blessings. For the actual necessities, you need to help yourself.

Sandra Morgan 7:49

Okay, so that’s just a look at the mom who raised Mollie. I think that’s really important, because we’re going to talk about how you are committed to keeping your children safe. We hear so much right now, about cyber safety for children. We know there are people online who are not safe. We know that children don’t always have the knowledge that they need to be safe. And it’s like teaching children to cross the street. And you’ve done it in such an amazing way, you actually wrote books for your daughter. So let’s talk first about those books. And Mollie, if you want to correct your mom at any time, just jump right in. But I’m holding, for our listeners, three books that Alana wrote on Mollie’s adventures, and they include “Me and My Friends Play”, “Who to Help Today.” I have to tell you when I read these, this was my favorite. And then, “Live Your Own Way.” So who chose the color of your hair in these books?

Mollie Sott 9:16

My mom.

Sandra Morgan 9:17

She did and what color is your hair in the books?

Mollie Sott 9:20

Pink.

Sandra Morgan 9:21

Pink? Do you like it?

Mollie Sott 9:23

Mhm.

Sandra Morgan 9:24

Why is it pink? Nobody has pink hair naturally.

Mollie Sott 9:29

It’s my favorite color.

Sandra Morgan 9:31

Ah, that was a good answer. That was a really good answer. So why did you write books for Mollie?

Alana Stott 9:39

Mollie was named after my great Auntie Mollie. Great Auntie Mollie was born in 1924 and lived through the war and she was just a huge part of my life. She was my inspiration, she during the war years would help with kids in shelters and various different things that she she went through. Aberdeen was quite heavily bombed during the war, so she had to do a lot of bringing kids to safety and doing work like that. But then when the war was over, she started traveling the world, and she stayed single all her life till she died in 2020, she was 95. She traveled the world on her own most of the time. She brought me up to think about other people first, that was the way that she, you know, if you’re on a bus, you stand up and let somebody sit down, if somebody’s holding heavy bags, you carry them. So Mollie was named after her and I love writing little poems, my mum used to express herself to me through little poems, and my granddad was the same. So I wanted to kind of put that into books so with “Live Your Own Way,” it was just really to tell kids that it’s okay that your friends maybe don’t agree with what you’re doing, but you shouldn’t let that stop you having fun and adventures that you want to do. “Who to Help Today” was about Auntie Mollie and about, people always say to me ‘how do you always help people or do these things?” Every single day, you’ve got an opportunity to help someone, there’s always something there. So we talk about that in the house, to look for those opportunities. That was what “Who to Help Today” was. Now “Me and My Friends Play” was when Mollie was in preschool in the UK, she had this little group of friends, and I think there was a girl from Nigeria, Portugal, France, Poland, Saudi Arabia, and they all used to sit in their little huddle and talk to each other, sometimes in their own languages as well, but they all understood each other from like two years old. And I used to love that, that based on nothing but just their friendship group there, there was nothing else that they saw. I took the five immigration to the United States, the five top and we went back to their countries and just seeing what their country was like, and they all now call U.S. home. But let’s take those kids and travel around and see a bit more of it. So it blends everything from the helping, living your own way, and traveling the world really.

Sandra Morgan 12:09

And it really grows your worldview. Now, how do you use these books as a tool to have the really important conversations?

Alana Stott 12:20

I think reading is amazing for kids. These books, I read more now to Tommy because Tommy is seven, and he loves them, he loves going through them. I read them to his classroom as well qnd that was an amazing experience but if you’ve ever guest spoke to a bunch of six year olds, that’s really hard. But they do these things that they fill your bucket afterwards. So after I’d read them out, they all filled my bucket by giving me a compliment about the book or something they liked about it, it was beautiful. It really stuck with me, I was like adults should fill each other’s buckets, this is something we should do. But they’ve done things like connections and how they could see themselves in the book, and how they could connect to the book. I thought that was really quite powerful. Sometimes writing is a way to just tell people how you feel, but other times it’s just that moment of being together and reading, and having that special moment together. I love books in general, which is why I wrote my own, I guess.

Sandra Morgan 13:22

So, Mollie, when you and your mom are having conversations, then can you tell me how that helps you with being safe online? Because you are growing up in a season that’s very different than I did. My parents had to teach me how to cross a street physically, safely. But now, we travel on the internet. So what kind of conversations do you have about being safe online?

Mollie Sott 14:02

Keeping my location off, keeping my account private, not letting anyone I don’t know follow me.

Sandra Morgan 14:11

So you don’t have any friends that you’ve never met? You know who they are?

Mollie Sott 14:18

Mhm.

Sandra Morgan 14:18

Wow, that’s really good. I’m on Facebook, and I have friends, sometimes their birthdays pop up and I’m like, where did I meet that person? So I need to follow your rules. Tell me what happens when you are online and somebody tries to talk to you, or asks to follow you or friend you. I don’t know what apps you’re on. But what do you do?

Mollie Sott 14:51

I usually block the account or just delete the friend request.

Sandra Morgan 14:57

Okay, so for some people, what does it mean to block something? How do you do that?

Mollie Sott 15:05

You can just go to the account and then once you block them, they can’t view your account or text you or message you.

Sandra Morgan 15:14

Okay, see you know, stuff I don’t know. Blocking, alright. I knew that I can accept or reject a friend request, but blocking is another tool I can use. What if you’re not sure? Who do you talk to about it?

Mollie Sott 15:35

My mom.

Sandra Morgan 15:36

Oh, okay. Is she always right there beside you?

Mollie Sott 15:40

No.

Sandra Morgan 15:41

No, why not?

Mollie Sott 15:43

Um…

Sandra Morgan 15:45

Do you have an idea why she’s not right there? Why she doesn’t worry about you?

Alana Stott 15:50

Do you want me to answer? Sure. I hope that I’ve given you all the tools you need to be able to deal with it yourself, and if you’re concerned. You’ve done it a number of times where somebody tried to request you and you’ve been worried about it and you’ve come straight to me and said either, ‘do I know this person’ or you’re uncomfortable about what he’s done’ or anything like that, and you know that I can deal with it then. You know that I’m always here, but I don’t need to always watch out for you.

Sandra Morgan 16:25

And I’m really impressed by that because I’ve talked to parents who are very fearful for their children, so they have lots of rules, and children have to stay right in front of them. They turn the internet off, and access is limited. But if you’re able to do this safely on your own, then your mom has built some trust with you. What about when you’re with other friends? Do you ever go on the internet with friends?

Alana Stott 17:08

So when you guys are all having sleepovers and stuff do you play on TikTok and whatever else you’re on? What apps are you on?

Mollie Sott 17:15

Instagram, TikTok, and Snapchat.

Sandra Morgan 17:19

Okay, so you’re on Instagram, TikTok, and Snapchat. What’s your favorite one?

Mollie Sott 17:28

TikTok.

Sandra Morgan 17:29

Why? Tell us why?

Mollie Sott 17:32

Because I just get to look at different videos, but on Snapchat and Instagram, they usually post most of the videos that they post on Instagram or Snapchat from Tik Tok.

Sandra Morgan 17:45

Okay, so it’s like, reused. Okay. So, Alana, I love how she’s so quick to answer which apps she’s on. So those kinds of conversations are things that parents should be asking all the time.

Alana Stott 18:07

And there’s new ones, I think BeReal.

Mollie Sott 18:11

Oh, yeah, there’s BeReal, but that one’s probably my least favorite just because there’s not a lot of things you can do apart from like, post what you’re doing, like, all the fun activities.

Alana Stott 18:29

And you were teaching me that one. I found it quite interesting that you can take a picture, but it shows the other side as well.

Mollie Sott 18:37

Yeah. So in the corner, it shows a picture of the front camera, and then it gives you a three second timer, and then it shows another picture of the back camera.

Sandra Morgan 18:50

So you teach your mom what you’re using.

Mollie Sott 18:55

Mhm.

Sandra Morgan 18:55

Okay, so how does that make you feel, Alana, when she shares these new technologies?

Alana Stott 19:01

Yeah, well, I think I’m not gonna pretend I know the stats. But there’s so many new apps coming up and I think as a 40 year old, I’m still learning Instagram, so I can’t possibly know all these things. So I rely on her to tell me the new stuff and if I mean, it’s not something that I’m going want to use, but I’m going to look into it and say, well, is that something that’s safe for her? And I think Mollie is really good at identifying if her other friends are safe as well. I think she spoke to me about one of her friends who had their location services turned on so she’d identified that and I wouldn’t have been able to identify it because I didn’t know that app. So she was asking me how she speaks to her friend to make her friend a little bit safer knowing the danger of having your live location turned on. How did you feel when you’d seen that she had the live location turned on?

Mollie Sott 19:59

Worried for her.

Sandra Morgan 20:01

Hmm. So then, do you think that it’s important for you, as a young person, to help make sure your friends are safe?

Mollie Sott 20:14

Yeah.

Sandra Morgan 20:15

Yeah. Okay. So sharing that knowledge, do you think parents are all really good at keeping their kids safe online?

Mollie Sott 20:26

Sometimes.

Sandra Morgan 20:28

Sometimes. Give me some examples.

Mollie Sott 20:32

Well, some parents, they give them so when they try to download an app, the parents have a password, which, once a kid tries to download an app, it sends a request to the parent, and then they add the password, but only the parent knows it. But sometimes the parent can leak the password, and then the kid is able to download any app they want.

Sandra Morgan 21:00

Oh, that’s scary, isn’t it?

Mollie Sott 21:03

Mhm.

Sandra Morgan 21:03

Wow. Okay. So how would you advise parents to make sure that doesn’t happen?

Mollie Sott 21:11

Don’t tell them the password.

Sandra Morgan 21:14

So you don’t want the kids to have the password?

Mollie Sott 21:17

No, just because they could download any app, and some apps aren’t safe.

Sandra Morgan 21:22

Okay, so here you are listening, and the kids say, parents don’t give your kids the password. Do you think that’s because the parents will make better decisions than the kids will?

Mollie Sott 21:39

Um, it depends on if the parent knows what the app can do.

Sandra Morgan 21:44

Ah, so Alana, do you know what the apps your daughter’s on can do?

Alana Stott 21:51

Yeah. So I think, as I said, there’s so many apps popping up on like a daily basis. So if there’s one that they specifically want to download, the ones that are dangerous, generally look really cool, and really fun and really exciting. And especially for a lot of Tommy’s that come up and it looks like a fun app for a kid to download. But you can look into it and see the developers, see if they’ve done any other, they should have a number of reviews, you should be able to see all the details about the developer, and where he’s from, and what he’s done, how this apps come. And if it’s a new app with an unknown developer, or there’s a number of things to identify if this is a bit worrying and then you just know. So keep into the ones that you can actually find information about, because the ones that are popping up daily, they could pay money to pop up on on the screen, so the kids want it. And there’s everything, from ones where people can actually talk to you and get you to input things and send things that kids shouldn’t be doing.

Sandra Morgan 23:06

So Tommy, you said is seven years old? And you’re already talking to him about internet?

Alana Stott 23:12

Yeah, so he plays on games on the internet, and he’ll do things. So again, I mean, there’s kids that are like one years old that know how to swipe, know how to open things, and as Mollie rightly pointed out, they’ll look over and they’ll find your code and your pin. I think Tommy was like less than two when he worked out our pin number to open the iPad. So you can you can imagine that they see these things, and they want to get in, and they want to do it, so we’re that extra force between them just to help them. But I think it’s important that I don’t say, “No, you can’t,” it’s “Let’s have a look together and see if it’s safe to use and do it.” Because there shouldn’t be punishments in this area for the kids, it should be learning and developing.

Sandra Morgan 24:05

So tell me about the part that I found really interesting in the stories about your adventures, is being kind online. The reason I found that really exciting, is it’s something positive we can do online. It’s not about being afraid of what’s happening online, but it’s using this as a tool. I don’t know if you can think of an example of a way to be kind online, or should I ask your mom to tell a piece of one of the stories? She is pointing at Mom.

Alana Stott 24:50

I’m thinking about ever had anybody be mean to you on your phone?

Mollie Sott 24:56

I think one time.

Alana Stott 24:59

Do you think that they would have said that same thing if they were face to face with you?

Mollie Sott 25:04

No.

Sandra Morgan 25:05

Why not?

Mollie Sott 25:07

Cause they’re scared?

Sandra Morgan 25:12

Oh, okay, they would be scared?

Mollie Sott 25:15

Mhm.

Sandra Morgan 25:16

Okay, so then how do you respond when you’re online, if someone is rude to you?

Mollie Sott 25:27

The only one time it was, was on a comment so I just deleted the comment and ignored it.

Sandra Morgan 25:33

Oh, that’s good. Delete and ignore, alright. What if you really like something that somebody said?

Mollie Sott 25:41

Then I usually respond to the comment, and then like the comment.

Sandra Morgan 25:46

Do you ever comment on someone’s post and ask to get to know them more?

Mollie Sott 25:55

No.

Sandra Morgan 25:57

So when you’re commenting, you’re just commenting on what they posted?

Mollie Sott 26:04

Mhm.

Sandra Morgan 26:06

Okay. If I wanted to understand something new that somebody posted, maybe they posted a salad or a casserole that they made? Do you think that they would help me learn how to make the same thing?

Mollie Sott 26:27

They could post, they could reply to the comment with like a video of the recipe.

Sandra Morgan 26:34

Oh, okay, so we reply with videos. Okay, that’s good. That’s faster, too. I don’t have to write it all out, ‘here I’ll show you.’ That’s good. So it’s a new way of sharing information and that’s part of getting to know somebody, that socializing. How do you think your friends relate to their parents compared to how you relate to yours?

Mollie Sott 27:01

Um…

Alana Stott 27:04

Do you think your friends always tell the truth to their parents?

Mollie Sott 27:08

Not all the time. Sometimes my friends are really shy with their parents, and they don’t tell them a lot of things, or as much as they do tell their friends.

Sandra Morgan 27:20

Okay, so when someone tells you the things that you would tell your mom, but you’re kind of sure they’re not going to tell their parents? Is that an opportunity for you to help them?

Mollie Sott 27:36

Yeah, I can tell them that they should tell their parents or someone.

Sandra Morgan 27:41

And teach them how to block. Right? Yeah, like she’s gonna teach me how to block right after we finish recording. Okay. So, Alana, we’re already talking about seven year old Tommy, who I’ve already learned, wants his books, “Tommy’s Adventures,” he wants orange hair. Is that correct?

Alana Stott 28:07

Yeah, Tommy is a little storyteller. So his dad’s filming a series right now with a major broadcaster. And he asked me if I had a show with them and I said, “No, not yet.” He said, “I’ll write you one,” and he talked through it, the whole process. And it was amazing how quickly he came up with these things. So he was really excited. He wanted “Tommy’s Travels,” so it will be Tommy traveling, and he wants orange hair. That was his main stipulation.

Sandra Morgan 28:35

Okay, so writing these stories, is an on ramp for having those conversations. What would you recommend to parents who don’t have the gift of writing like you do? How are they going to have an on ramp for those ordinary conversations?

Alana Stott 28:55

I think that, as we’ve just explained, this is a different world to what we are used to living in. We’ve just had that conversation where somebody can post a video of a reply, and that video is out there forever. So we need to bring back that communication with the kids, that they feel comfortable to have that. Even if they’re saying something that’s blown your mind, “I can’t believe he’s just done that or she just done that,” you have to keep it calm, so that they’re always able to keep coming back. So even if you’re not writing books, if you’re just reading books, or if you come across a book that has a good message, use that as a way of starting the conversation. Or even, me and Mollie watch a lot of movies together, and Mollie introduced me to…What was the one, the movie we watched the other night? I think it was the the Kara Robinson story I believe. I can’t remember the name of the film but we watched it together and it was a really good movie for explaining the process of when is a good time to escape if you’re taken. I liked the way that the movie described these little bits without going into any sort of graphic detail, and afterwards, we talked through it and talked about the movie in itself. So it can be books, it can be movies, it could just be daily occurrences, just have the conversation.

Sandra Morgan 30:20

So this is not rocket science. It’s about having conversations, and talking to your kids, and not being shy. I loved how you said that, Mollie. Sometimes kids are shy about talking to their parents. And I think having those conversations regularly to make it normal, is going to be very important for that one time when something just isn’t right. You know you can go to your mom, and I can see that you can go to your mom. Somebody asked me if we ever use video for the podcast, and today is the first time I wish that I could. Because as listeners, you guys missed a lot of the nonverbal communication, and being sure, being open and confident that you can talk to your parents, I think that is the most important safety principle. Not just going over curriculum, ‘do this, do that,’ but knowing that these are the limits, these are the best practices. But if I’m ever concerned, I just go straight to mom. Well, as we wrap this up, I’m gonna give Mollie, if you want to say anything about your mom, you can, or you can shake your head no. She’s shaking her head no, that’s alright, but there’s good communication going on here. So Alana, you wrote this book about a woman, a child, even, who dares. You’re leading an initiative, where you demonstrate with your own kids, how to have those conversations, and you write books. I wrote songs for my kids, I won’t sing any of them because they would be embarrassed. But, I think parents don’t have to wait to have materials from experts. These are your kids, you know them, and having conversations where they feel safe to talk to you is the best prevention to keep them safe online. And I just want to give you the last word, what is your most important message?

Alana Stott 33:03

Yeah, and you know, what you’ve said really quite touched me because my mom used to write me things and my mom died when I was 15. I can still remember one of the poems, word for word, that she wrote for me. But for me, I just want to say that I am super proud of you for coming on Mollie. And I think that this was quite scary, because, first of all, you’re talking to a microphone, which is actually quite a scary thing to be doing in front of two old ladies as far as you would call them. But the message that you’re spreading there is so important, because so many kids are scared to speak to their parents about what they’re actually doing. Because maybe they’re doing something that they’ve told their mom and dad, they’re not actually doing like using Instagram or Snapchat or Tik Tok, because all their friends are are doing it and they have the access. So they’re using it, but they’re scared to tell mum and dad because mum and dad said they’re not using them. And I think that the only advice I would give is they are going to do it. So do you want them to do it secretly? Or do you want them to do it with your help and making sure that they’re as safe as possible? And I’m hoping it’s kind of the latter and just talk to them and be part of it.

Sandra Morgan 34:16

I love it. I love it. All right. Well, I am so grateful that you both came on and Mollie, you are very brave. We’ll write the next book about going on of podcast. Oh my gosh. So listeners we are inviting you to take the next step now. Go over to endinghuman trafficking.org That’s where you can find resources to the things we’ve mentioned in this conversation. You can also connect to the Global Center for Women and Justice and become a subscriber to get episode updates twice a month. And of course we’re going to be back in just two weeks. Bye everybody.

Alana Stott 35:04

Thank you, bye.