Steve Carter and Rich Villodas have a lively conversation about how to stay both prophetic and pastoral as a preacher. The two will dig into Rich's sermon “Desiring One Thing” that he delivered last September after returning from sabbatical. Rich shares openly and honestly from moments in his leadership when he has spoken out and what practices have shaped him and propelled him to do so. Rich also discusses practices that are crucial for him and the heart behind his forthcoming book, The Deeply Formed Life.