The Cleveland Hellmouth

The Cleveland Hellmouth


S01E06 The Pack

March 21, 2016

In this episode!


Cleveland Hellmouth listeners–wow, this one is tough. It is so dark, and Mark wonders if it needs a trigger warning…


(Content note, Mark here: just so you know, we talk about rape in this episode.)



  • Katherine tells Mark that this episode epitomizes Whedon’s stance that “high school is hell.”
  • Katherine and Mark talk about bullies and packs.
  • Mark says there’s no such thing as verbal abuse that doesn’t hurt.
  • Mark asks, Did the possession bring out the bad in Xander or did it make him bad?
  • Katherine shares some important rules of the Buffyverse: Never kill a human, and Vampires aren’t human. But what makes the death of the zookeeper OK?
  • Another important rule that bears remembering for those new to the show–you are never at fault if you are possessed. It will not be held against you.
  • Katherine does a shout out to The Art of Slaying, another favorite podcast.
  • Katherine says, remember this line from Xander: “Buffy, you like your men dangerous.” This will have ramifications.
  • Mark notices that a favorite Whedon tactic is to say something funny and then have something horrible happen. Is Mark getting cynical?

Resources: The Art of Slaying podcast. One caveat: it is a great podcast, but the podcasters presume you’ve seen the episodes. Countless spoilers throughout.


Discussion on the blog: http://clevelandhellmouth.org/2016/03/22/the-pack/